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Should skirt length matter in secondary schools?

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Holdonforsummer · 19/06/2025 19:10

My daughter is 15 and in Year 10, she attends an all-girls comprehensive secondary school and they are obsessed with the girls’ skirt length. The skirt is like a tartan kilt and is supposed to be ‘on the knee’ but most of the girls roll their skirts to make them a bit shorter (think mid-thigh). I’m a bit on the fence about this but her school go on and on and on about it. They stop girls all the time, give detentions for short skirts, have assemblies about it, and have even been known to measure skirts and give girls long ones from the list property cupboard to wear instead. Yesterday, my daughter had just finished 5 hours of mock exams in 28 degrees and was walking home - outside school property - and was stopped by a teacher threatening detention even though she had left school. She came home furious and fed up of the whole thing. I can’t decide whether the girls just need to toe the line or whether behaviour from the school is bordering on a sexist, misogynistic obsession. YABU: the pupils need to obey the skirt rules, YANBU: The school should calm down and stop obsessing about skirt length.

OP posts:
greencartbluecart · 20/06/2025 11:42

I would say there shouldn’t be a need for uniforms - although the bullying problem needs a solution first - that punishes the bullies not the victims

but even with no uniform I woukd
have an acceptable length on a skirt - it’s should not be possible to play “guess the colour of the knickers”

Goldenbear · 20/06/2025 11:39

Ddakji · 20/06/2025 11:30

Right, got you. Yes, that’s a good point. - and one that, so far as uniform goes, seems utterly daft given that many will go on to sixth forms and colleges with little or no dress code - and then uni, where there is obviously no dress code to speak of. And never mind all the other countries in the world that manage this without school uniform.

However, the “education” our kids are getting under the current curriculum
seems pretty poor to me both as an education or preparing kids for work.

Yes, I would argue that the overall focus of the education system is wrong, however that isn't to say that there are not some very good teachers but they are limited by funding which is an economic reality and has been for a long time.

pharmer · 20/06/2025 11:32

SisterMargaretta · 19/06/2025 19:18

My DD's school insists on below the knee. It annoys me so much - it wouldn't be a rule in the workplace. They never give their justification for it either because they know they can't put into writing "so the boys don't get distracted". There is a middle ground between inappropriately short and convent.

It isn't about distracting boys, it is about decency and following the uniform regulations.

Ddakji · 20/06/2025 11:30

Goldenbear · 20/06/2025 11:24

I don't know what all British parents want to do about uniforms, just as I don't know whether teachers feel that strongly about getting rid of them. The whole issue is another example of the idea of schools delivering an 'education' that is just about being ready for the world of work.

Right, got you. Yes, that’s a good point. - and one that, so far as uniform goes, seems utterly daft given that many will go on to sixth forms and colleges with little or no dress code - and then uni, where there is obviously no dress code to speak of. And never mind all the other countries in the world that manage this without school uniform.

However, the “education” our kids are getting under the current curriculum
seems pretty poor to me both as an education or preparing kids for work.

Flashahah · 20/06/2025 11:25

Meadowfinch · 19/06/2025 19:22

You both agreed to the rules when you joined the school.

My ds keeps complaining about the school dress code in the lower 6th but he agreed to it. He signed up for it. Whining now is pointless.

Edited

This!

Im sure it was agreed so it’s non negotiable now.

Goldenbear · 20/06/2025 11:24

Ddakji · 20/06/2025 11:18

Bit confused by your post - are you saying that British parents DO want to get rid of uniforms? Because that’s not my observation, and certainly not on MN where despite the substantial complaints about inform and rules, the majority still think it’s a good thing.

I don't know what all British parents want to do about uniforms, just as I don't know whether teachers feel that strongly about getting rid of them. The whole issue is another example of the idea of schools delivering an 'education' that is just about being ready for the world of work.

Ddakji · 20/06/2025 11:18

Goldenbear · 20/06/2025 11:15

I actually think this imagined by you- do you genuinely believe it's Teachers v Parents? This topic really does demonstrate what has gone wrong with our education system if people think the polarity of culture wars is important. It's not really addressing the substantive issues that exist in schools, why not put your efforts in wanting education to be enriching not just about, Inputs, outputs and want children can't do.

Bit confused by your post - are you saying that British parents DO want to get rid of uniforms? Because that’s not my observation, and certainly not on MN where despite the substantial complaints about inform and rules, the majority still think it’s a good thing.

Goldenbear · 20/06/2025 11:16

Goldenbear · 20/06/2025 11:15

I actually think this imagined by you- do you genuinely believe it's Teachers v Parents? This topic really does demonstrate what has gone wrong with our education system if people think the polarity of culture wars is important. It's not really addressing the substantive issues that exist in schools, why not put your efforts in wanting education to be enriching not just about, Inputs, outputs and want children can't do.

What not, "want".

Goldenbear · 20/06/2025 11:15

LochKatrine · 20/06/2025 09:18

The trouble is, every time teachers lobby to do this, parents complain.

I actually think this imagined by you- do you genuinely believe it's Teachers v Parents? This topic really does demonstrate what has gone wrong with our education system if people think the polarity of culture wars is important. It's not really addressing the substantive issues that exist in schools, why not put your efforts in wanting education to be enriching not just about, Inputs, outputs and want children can't do.

endzone · 20/06/2025 09:59

It sounds exhausting for the teachers to have to constantly keep on top of idiotic students who won’t follow a simple rule.

SunPerson · 20/06/2025 09:54

On the school run, we see a lot of kids walking to the local secondary school. I’ve never seen such short skirts in my life. The girls wear them so short, you can see their bum & they are always tugging the back of the skirt down or walking with their hand on the back holding the skirt self consciously.
I don’t really get why you would do that to yourself, but I guess it’s a trend and kids at that age like to fit in.

I do remember rolling my skirt up at school , but it never that short.

Duckduck2 · 20/06/2025 09:51

SisterMargaretta · 19/06/2025 19:18

My DD's school insists on below the knee. It annoys me so much - it wouldn't be a rule in the workplace. They never give their justification for it either because they know they can't put into writing "so the boys don't get distracted". There is a middle ground between inappropriately short and convent.

I have worked in 3 all girls schools and they were very strict on rolling up of skirts so it’s not to do with boys getting distracted at all.

Ddakji · 20/06/2025 09:45

TheBewleySisters · 20/06/2025 09:16

I mentioned to my friend that i was very taken aback by how short the skirts were worn by girls at our local high school, and she gave me a look and then reminded me of the time I was sent home to change because my skirt was the same length as my blazer. That would have been in the late 60s.

Presumably a school wouldn’t be allowed to send a girl home in the same circumstances these days.

Ddakji · 20/06/2025 09:44

LochKatrine · 20/06/2025 09:18

The trouble is, every time teachers lobby to do this, parents complain.

Of course they do - they’re British! And often stupid and think an occasionally non-uniform day is the same as no uniform at all.

Wdfssda · 20/06/2025 09:41

I grew up in a India and in a conservative society so this stuff is unusual to me. I don't really like it when my daughters wear something too revealing and I tell them that they should cover it up. (And then they do)

However they don't go around purposely flashing their underwear. Why do girls want people to see their underwear?

theunbreakablecleopatrajones · 20/06/2025 09:22

MsDDxx · 20/06/2025 07:52

It’s not hygiene 😂OMFG

It’s about decency, that’s all.

This has reminded me that there was a really gross study once about the bodily fluids that get onto office chairs just from sitting on them..

theunbreakablecleopatrajones · 20/06/2025 09:19

ShesTheAlbatross · 19/06/2025 19:34

The uniform is an ankle length skirt?

Could be Rugby

LochKatrine · 20/06/2025 09:18

Ddakji · 20/06/2025 08:34

I agree with you there - just ditch uniform. Other countries manage perfectly well without it, many outperforming the UK.

The trouble is, every time teachers lobby to do this, parents complain.

LochKatrine · 20/06/2025 09:17

Goldenbear · 20/06/2025 07:49

Tube skirts are the issue at your school but the OP describes a kilt like skirt, my DD's school is the same, in fact they got rid of the black skirt to overcome the issue you are describing and as far as I can see it works.

Right. So if the issue is "overcome", why is the OP complaining?

TheBewleySisters · 20/06/2025 09:16

I mentioned to my friend that i was very taken aback by how short the skirts were worn by girls at our local high school, and she gave me a look and then reminded me of the time I was sent home to change because my skirt was the same length as my blazer. That would have been in the late 60s.

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Ddakji · 20/06/2025 08:34

Goldenbear · 20/06/2025 08:07

But this isn't absolutely the case, you state that like it is. I personally don't see this on a scale that is described on here at DD's school, it must be dependent on area, it isn't a universal problem.

The obsession with this issue is distracting from what school is their to deliver - an education. Perhaps if the Intrinsic value of that was focused on as opposed to endless uniform rules, the children involved would find more fulfilling pursuits.

I agree with you there - just ditch uniform. Other countries manage perfectly well without it, many outperforming the UK.

Wolfpa · 20/06/2025 08:28

one of the things that frustrates me as a manager is the conversation with staff members about wearing uniform correctly.

conversations are things like suitable footwear when people have came in in crocs or open toed sandals, asking people to not customise their uniform and general cleanliness.

Ensuring standards are kept at school will help during employment.

Tollington · 20/06/2025 08:21

The girls are representing the school

The school does not want to be associated with girls showing their arses in public hence why they are strict on the uniform

Goldenbear · 20/06/2025 08:15

RhaenysRocks · 20/06/2025 08:13

Kilts don't solve the problem...they just look worse and wonky.

It isn't an issue at the school my DD attends, it has solved the issue but again, it isn't a universal issue.