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Showing support for terrorism is illegal so why do people do it?

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Nowayyousure · 19/06/2025 11:36

Well we all know it's illegal, don't we?

It happens though. The flags, the signs, the slogans, the chants, what is said etc.

Kneecap was charged on supporting terrorism. I understand that the charges relate to things like waving the Hezbollah flag and shouting in support of terrorist organisations.

He has been bailed pending trial.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cy4k4xnlj8qo

A close-up of a man in the midst of a crowd. He is wearing sunglasses and a black and white keffiyeh headdress around his neck like a scarf. A crowd is around him. You can see Irish tricolours in the background

Kneecap rapper released on unconditional bail over terror charge

Kneecap's Liam Óg Ó hAnnaidh, aka Mo Chara, is accused of displaying a flag in support of proscribed organisation Hezbollah.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cy4k4xnlj8qo

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EasternStandard · 20/06/2025 21:28

GretaGreen · 20/06/2025 21:12

Dude they were yes or no questions. You've typed out more in your post just there, so don't give me the I don't have time nonsense.

I wasn't talking about CITME, I was talking about your refusal here in this thread to answer basic questions whilst demanding the same of others.

It's fine that you don't want to answer, I find the predictabless of you not amswering quite funny tbh, so no hard feelings, I think we can end this conversation here.

ETA I was being sarcastic with the shocking if that wasn't clear, it was as predictable as day follows night that you wouldn't condemn or say out loud that you approve of the Israeli government raping and pillaging.

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Fine I can’t say I’m bothered. You spend time on what you want and I will too.

GretaGreen · 20/06/2025 21:12

EasternStandard · 20/06/2025 20:53

Re ‘shocking’ this is too full on to make sense.

I just don’t have the time for it you do. I don’t spend that much time on CITME and don’t feel ‘ashamed’ about not doing so. You can of course up to you. If you are railing against Labour on this, fine.

I do feel more strongly about terrorism support on SM hence my posts.

Dude they were yes or no questions. You've typed out more in your post just there, so don't give me the I don't have time nonsense.

I wasn't talking about CITME, I was talking about your refusal here in this thread to answer basic questions whilst demanding the same of others.

It's fine that you don't want to answer, I find the predictabless of you not amswering quite funny tbh, so no hard feelings, I think we can end this conversation here.

ETA I was being sarcastic with the shocking if that wasn't clear, it was as predictable as day follows night that you wouldn't condemn or say out loud that you approve of the Israeli government raping and pillaging.

EasternStandard · 20/06/2025 20:53

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Re ‘shocking’ this is too full on to make sense.

I just don’t have the time for it you do. I don’t spend that much time on CITME and don’t feel ‘ashamed’ about not doing so. You can of course up to you. If you are railing against Labour on this, fine.

I do feel more strongly about terrorism support on SM hence my posts.

GretaGreen · 20/06/2025 20:12

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JaneJeffer · 20/06/2025 20:07

I thought that was your area of expertise @Dangermoo

Dangermoo · 20/06/2025 19:45

cakeorwine · 20/06/2025 19:43

You will notice that I did not say I agree with it.

I am saying that is why some people might say they support Hamas.

I am sure that other people would have a different opinion and see things differently.

No, you've been very polite. Leaving the thread now, as it's going into territory more suited to CITME forum 😊

cakeorwine · 20/06/2025 19:45

Dangermoo · 20/06/2025 19:02

That's exactly what I'm talking about. That's how simplistic Pro Palestinian advocates see the situation. I'm not getting into it here but two sides to every story is always believed, unless it's Israel.

What reasons can you think of why someone living in Gaza or the West Bank might end up supporting Hamas or even joining Hamas?

cakeorwine · 20/06/2025 19:43

Dangermoo · 20/06/2025 19:02

That's exactly what I'm talking about. That's how simplistic Pro Palestinian advocates see the situation. I'm not getting into it here but two sides to every story is always believed, unless it's Israel.

You will notice that I did not say I agree with it.

I am saying that is why some people might say they support Hamas.

I am sure that other people would have a different opinion and see things differently.

Tesremos82 · 20/06/2025 19:42

BeachPossum · 19/06/2025 14:11

Hamas and Hezbollah are terrorist organisations who should not be supported.

Benjamin Netanyahu is a warmonger and the perpetrator of an illegal and immoral genocide. He should also not be supported.

Because Natanyahu has been empowered to commit unspeakable atrocities without repercussion, the response of some people has been to show support for Hamas and Hezbollah in protest of this. It's not right; they're all unspeakable and require absolute condemnation.

Many people feel frustrated at the hypocrisy of allowing Netanyahu's war crimes to go unchecked and unpunished.

This^

JaneJeffer · 20/06/2025 19:27

Dangermoo · 20/06/2025 18:54

🥱

This is your response to the previous post?

wavingfuriously · 20/06/2025 19:22

Keir Starmer has been doing this ever since the beginning of Gaza genocide ...

Dangermoo · 20/06/2025 19:02

cakeorwine · 20/06/2025 19:00

Because they have grown up under occupation
Because of the way they think they have been treated
Because of how the Israeli Government has treated them over the years
Being shot for throwing stones
The endless violence towards them
Having no hope

I am sure if that is what someone would say if they were asked.

Whether I agree is a different matter - but I am sure those are some reasons.

I am sure someone who has grown up in that situation would have more to say.

That's exactly what I'm talking about. That's how simplistic Pro Palestinian advocates see the situation. I'm not getting into it here but two sides to every story is always believed, unless it's Israel.

devourfeculence · 20/06/2025 19:01

OchonAgusOchonOh · 20/06/2025 18:42

Yes, I said it was disturbing that you did not appear to understand the impact trauma can have on people's behaviour. You twisted that claim I found your statement you would not murder or rape disturbing. Two very different statements.

"I do understand. I also know that I would never murder or rape innocent civilians including children in cold blood. I'm sorry you find that so disturbing."

You claimed I dont understand trauma (which I do) because I said I would never murder or rape.

devourfeculence · 20/06/2025 19:00

cakeorwine · 20/06/2025 18:42

Can you think of any reasons why someone who has grown up in Gaza or the West Bank might support Hamas?

Are kneecap from Gaza now?

cakeorwine · 20/06/2025 19:00

devourfeculence · 20/06/2025 18:57

General hatred? Love of violence? Idiocy?

Why, why do you think people support a murderous antisemitic terrorist organisation?

Because they have grown up under occupation
Because of the way they think they have been treated
Because of how the Israeli Government has treated them over the years
Being shot for throwing stones
The endless violence towards them
Having no hope

I am sure if that is what someone would say if they were asked.

Whether I agree is a different matter - but I am sure those are some reasons.

I am sure someone who has grown up in that situation would have more to say.

Dangermoo · 20/06/2025 19:00

cakeorwine · 20/06/2025 18:53

And I think that comes to the question about what would someone do under certain circumstances...

And I don't think any of us truly know what we would do / how we would act / what we are capable of when push comes to shove.

Luckily, we in the west are privileged. We will never see it through the eyes of Palestinians or the Jewish because the conflict is way more complex than can be appreciated by any of us. No matter how many sources and parrot phrases - like the post just recently posted - are made. It's easy to carry a Palestinian flag and wear a keffiyah but when you only think you know why you're doing it, it's worthless. It's nothing more than interfering condescending twaddle.

devourfeculence · 20/06/2025 18:59

Snowstorming · 20/06/2025 18:14

Do you also feel threatened by pro-Israeli groups and the Israeli government who use Judaism as an excuse to commit a genocide against Palestine? Because that’s antisemitism if you ever saw it, using a peaceful religion as an excuse to commit war crimes.

You think the Israeli government are a bigger threat to Jewish people than the group whose founding charter called for the murder of Jews?

devourfeculence · 20/06/2025 18:57

cakeorwine · 20/06/2025 18:40

Can you think of any other reasons?

General hatred? Love of violence? Idiocy?

Why, why do you think people support a murderous antisemitic terrorist organisation?

devourfeculence · 20/06/2025 18:56

TakeMe2Insanity · 20/06/2025 18:53

But its ok to use collective punishment, a food blockade, incarcerate without trial, bomb hospitals, switch off the internet and access to communication, murder children, babies, men, women, teenagers to people who are muslim and christian.

Yes, that's exactly what the poster said...

Dangermoo · 20/06/2025 18:54

🥱

TakeMe2Insanity · 20/06/2025 18:53

poribep · 20/06/2025 14:59

Personally I feel threated by any man who supports groups who hate and murder Jewish people.

But its ok to use collective punishment, a food blockade, incarcerate without trial, bomb hospitals, switch off the internet and access to communication, murder children, babies, men, women, teenagers to people who are muslim and christian.

cakeorwine · 20/06/2025 18:53

Dangermoo · 20/06/2025 18:48

They have skin in the game, westerners don't and that's half the problem.

And I think that comes to the question about what would someone do under certain circumstances...

And I don't think any of us truly know what we would do / how we would act / what we are capable of when push comes to shove.

OneLemonGuide · 20/06/2025 18:50

Dangermoo · 20/06/2025 18:47

There is an overlap of morality with legality. Tbf. I agree the OP was naive with this thread. One look at London, on a Saturday afternoon should have told her that.

There is an overlap, but the main reason I don’t do stuff like abuse children or kill people isn’t because it’s illegal, it’s because it’s morally wrong!

Dangermoo · 20/06/2025 18:48

cakeorwine · 20/06/2025 18:46

I am trying to see if someone can understand why someone might become a terrorist or a freedom fighter - depending on your perspective.

Or why someone might not be a terrorist or a freedom fighter but would support them - especially if they have grown up in certain situations - e.g the West Bank or Gaza

They have skin in the game, westerners don't and that's half the problem.

Dangermoo · 20/06/2025 18:47

OneLemonGuide · 20/06/2025 18:44

It’s not, but I’m presuming the point is that the OP is basing her argument on supporting terror being illegal, rather than immoral. She seems to conflate legality with morality, which I find very odd, and rather naive.

It’s like saying “I don’t understand why people murder others because murder is illegal….”. It’s a really weird perspective.

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There is an overlap of morality with legality. Tbf. I agree the OP was naive with this thread. One look at London, on a Saturday afternoon should have told her that.