Female only housing and reaction to it

Owned by a private company, their rules and actually a great idea. Lots of those things to consider of course, clauses that male children can stay until a certain age will be difficult.

I rent from this landlord. Sons don't move out at 18 they stay as long as they want. Most of the organisation's contractors are men and so are several staff, many of whom come into women's homes to check gas, smoke alarms and electricity, and can enter the buildings' hallways with keys without notice. Men who live with women can inherit the tenancy if we die; several have. The current narrative about being for vulnerable women is irritating as f*ck because it was an Edwardian feminist project set up for independent single women to work and live safely and well in London. Being characterised by the more recent employees as their rescued beneficiaries is very galling.

There is obviously a shortage of housing for single women and single women.em with children.
Personally I think it is much needed these days.

No it has not gone too far.
are women being paid equally? No
are women doing all the invisible (and visible) labour? Yes
are women and girls routinely murdered/assaulted by men and boys? Yes
I could go on
come back to tell me it’s gone too far when all this shit has l stopped

Womens Refuges ask women with sons above age 14 to move out of the refuge or move to flats the refuge oversees.

I don't believe I descended into personal insult but, hey, as a dyed-in-the-wool 1980s feminist I'm quite thick-skinned and comfortable wearing the longer pants as needs be.

Enjoy your evening when it comes

I don't avoid humour.

Yours just didn't come accross as you intended, which is evident in people misunderstanding.

One of your "foibles" to watch out for may be a superiority complex around your humour and the misguided belief that if people don't understand or appreciate it then they must be the problem.

Sexist, and statistically speaking males are far more likely to be victims of assault (and of course perpetrators, most violent crime is male on male).

Yep, it's satire. I'm sorry you misunderstood.

You know, it's possible to be a feminist and have a wry, unserious and impish sense of humour that focuses on women and the real (not imagined) experience of women and girls, including their foibles.

By avoiding humour by feminists focused on the total experience of women and girls, including wry 'in group' observations, some people risk doing the work of the very patriarchy that they strive to resist.

See work by Janet Bing etc. (reliable source).

The UN predicts it will be another 300 years before we reach equality.

1 in 4 women are sexually assaulted or raped.

1 in 6 girls are sexually abused.

Less than 5% of rapes lead to a charge and less than 1% to a conviction.

2 women a week are killed by men in the UK.

But yeah, we've gone crazy with women's rights.

Gone too far?
Things like this are bandaid on a gunshot wound. Little things to make us think that our rights are being advanced and protected. Things to make people whinge about feminists and give MRAs ammunition.

When in reality, the statistics don't lie.
Women are the most oppressed group of people on earth, which is quite an achievement for men considering we make up over 50% of the population.

They have spent the entirety of history systematically working on ways to keep us down and under their control. The fight isn't over just because we can vote now, not by a long shot.

Your comment didn't come accross as "satire". If that is truly what you were doing, PP isn't the only one who misunderstood.

This is such a misogynistic comment.

Girls are only not nasty when boys are there to distract them?

Yes, girls can be bullies, just as boys can. I don't deny that. But your comment is vile.

The teenage girls I know fiercely defend other girls and women, I am SO proud of them. They call out internalised misogyny like yours when they see it.

My working environments have all been women or mostly women and apart from usual personality differences it has been great.

Please don't repeat things like this. It feeds into untrue stereotypes used to oppress women and make a mockery of us.

We don't need men to control us or keep us on our best behaviour, thank you very much.

I think this is a fantastic idea for lone females and think anyone who has ever had to find a house share as a single woman would agree.

What's stopping men from caring about their homeless peers and setting up charities to help them?

These flats aren't for the homeless, and allow transwomen (biological males), and boyfriends to be moved in, so sadly aren't for women at all.

I think this is a horrible idea. It’s just fuel for the anti feminists and its stuff like this that makes so many people want to disassociate themselves from feminism.

This isn’t about giving women equality. It is discriminatory and divisive. Women are already much more likely to have secure social housing than men thanks to the biology that allows them to have children. We can’t make society better by deliberately centering one sex as more important than the other.

if I’m being honest I don’t really like the idea of this. I just think it hasn’t been fully thought out.

Firstly, are none of the residents going to have men over? Or male children? What if they get married and want to stay living there? What if they need help from male family members or tradespeople? If there’s no restrictions on visitors, then how would they police men moving in? It would just naturally become mixed gender surely.

I also read that a proportion of the flats are specifically left for victims of domestic violence for example. With respect, having a group of victims of DV living in close proximity could be a recipe for disaster if not handled well. These women are vulnerable, may require mental health support for example, and may even be targeted by their abusers. If one man comes over kicking off trying to locate someone he knows, it might traumatise others living there who don’t know him but are triggered by his actions. You might even get women who are scared of their abusers to the extent they let the man inside and can’t get rid of him because he won’t take no for an answer. Again, who is actually going to enforce a no males allowed rule? Are they going to step in if a potentially volatile man arrives?

This. Stupid idea. There are good and bad in both genders.🙄

But they moved out to get married and certainly weren't allowed children (of any sex) outside of marriage.

It's a great idea in principle. But the trans brigade will soon be along to say it should also be for men that identify/dress as women and the whole idea of it gone...

That’s interesting - I don’t think it is what most women want either. However, I can’t see any reason why it might not suit some women very well. Some people are happiest single and some are lesbians, so maybe they would be well suited to it. Not every housing solution suits all people cos we all need a house and we’re all different.

What about the male homeless?
Is there a similar initiative for them?

Oh, not always @RhaenysRocks , I lived in one for three years back in the late eighties/early nineties - the first two years were single sex, and the third year became mixed due to changes in nurse training.

The first two years, single sex, felt oppressive. Girls sneaked boys in anyway, and we had a 'matron' type housekeeper who clearly believed we were agents of Original Sin. It was like being in Jane Eyre.

When the boys moved in, well, there was some adjusting to do. But, just as before, everyone had their own rooms, and to be honest the atmosphere relaxed quite a lot. It was certainly no less safe.

So, I can see why single-sex are essential for specific places like DV hostels/safe houses. But, generally - no, unless you're a nun or monk, society is mixed-sex and it helps nobody to live in isolation.

I was making a wry, dark observation. It's called feminist satire.
I am sorry the BBC has done such a number on you