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Why is it fair that Scottish carers get more carers allowance than English carers?

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KindleAndCake · 18/06/2025 10:09

With the carers supplement they get twice a year, it boils down to just over £11 a week more than English carers. They're all doing the same old slog, so why is it fair.
I am caring for 2 people, it is hard going. I only get carers for 1 though as that is how the system works. Ive just found out that Scottish carers get a supplement twice a year, lucky ducks. Well sort of, better than nowt.
So my question is, why? I thought we were one nation. Am I being unreasonable here.

OP posts:
Silvers11 · 18/06/2025 13:32

KindleAndCake · 18/06/2025 12:41

I didn't mean one nation, ignore that, i meant, United Kingdom.

The United Kingdom is still made up of 4 different Nations! And as many others have said - that led to Devolution, with different parliaments/Assemblies who have the legal right to make their own decisions on lots of different issues.

ARichtGoodDram · 18/06/2025 13:30

It’s now called Adult Disability Payment up here.
I do wish they’d stop changing the names of things I get so confused!

It may be called something different but it's absolutely not a "much higher" benefit as that poster suggested.

The rates are exactly the same.

L0bstersLass · 18/06/2025 13:24

@KindleAndCake Because Health and Taxation are developed matters and their Governments can make their own choices on how to direct some of the money raised.

Other things that may surprise you are:
Prescriptions are free in Scotland and Wales.
Scottish students studying at Scottish Universities do not pay tuition fees
Income tax rates are higher in Scotland.

Sofiewoo · 18/06/2025 13:19

Didshejustsaythatoutloud · 18/06/2025 13:07

Means testing.

But the NHS isn’t a means tested service?

Sahara123 · 18/06/2025 13:18

Chemenger · 18/06/2025 11:16

Do you think it’s fair that Scottish people pay more income tax, OP?

Or that in England free child care hours start at 9 months now ( I think) and here in Scotland it’s 3 !!
But yes, it’s because we’re a devolved country and this is what our government has decided

Aweecupofteaandabiscuit · 18/06/2025 13:18

Same reason my son had to wait nearly two years for equipment that newly diagnosed diabetics in many areas of England can expect to walk out the hospital door with right from the start.
Different pots of money, different streams of revenue, different people in charge of said pots and streams.

shortsharp · 18/06/2025 13:17

KindleAndCake · 18/06/2025 10:09

With the carers supplement they get twice a year, it boils down to just over £11 a week more than English carers. They're all doing the same old slog, so why is it fair.
I am caring for 2 people, it is hard going. I only get carers for 1 though as that is how the system works. Ive just found out that Scottish carers get a supplement twice a year, lucky ducks. Well sort of, better than nowt.
So my question is, why? I thought we were one nation. Am I being unreasonable here.

I live in Scotland and I earn £55,000.

im £1600 a year (£32 a week) worse off than a person in england earning the same.

them’s the breaks.

SlippySausage · 18/06/2025 13:17

Didshejustsaythatoutloud · 18/06/2025 13:07

Well their shitty ship is sinking. They have let the people of Scotland down for too long.
People on a huge salary should not be getting free prescriptions when this money could be spent on much better things (exhaustive list).
But then all the SNP care about are getting votes from stupid people.

Those complaining about free prescriptions in Scotland.... Are you aware that 95% of prescriptions are free in England because the majority of medication is dispensed to people who are exempt from charges, including those under 16, over 60, and individuals on benefits or with specific medical conditions? (This is the statistic for 2022/23 from UK government sources). Of the people who do pay, many become sicker because they don't take the prescribed medication, or ration it and so ultimately cost the NHS more. This is why Scotland and Wales don't have prescription charges - because they make no economic or social sense.

Mumble12 · 18/06/2025 13:14

Lots of things are better in Scotland - free prescriptions, free university education and a much better discretionary housing payment system, to name a few.

Sahara123 · 18/06/2025 13:14

OldMcDonaldHadABigMac · 18/06/2025 12:40

What's the higher pip equivalent?

It’s now called Adult Disability Payment up here.
I do wish they’d stop changing the names of things, I get so confused!

Didshejustsaythatoutloud · 18/06/2025 13:07

Sofiewoo · 18/06/2025 13:04

Scotland isn’t the only place to have free prescriptions.
I’m glad NI does, why should people with chronic illnesses pay more for a supposedly free at the point of use healthcare system?The number of protected conditions with free prescriptions is tiny and extremely dated. When I lived in England, having to pay for regular asthma medication which was chronic, life long and lift threatening was ridiculous.

Means testing.

Didshejustsaythatoutloud · 18/06/2025 13:07

Computersaysdontwantto · 18/06/2025 10:31

Scotland gets £2,000 more per hear a year to spend than it raises in taxes thanks to the Barnett formula. Instead of improving public services with this money it chooses to give this money away in benefits and ‘free’ things. Prescriptions, baby boxes, university tuition, much higher pip equivalent, no bedroom tax etc. they keep getting voted in by people living off benefits, public services keep getting worse, income tax on those earning more than the average wage keeps going up.

Its the way the SNP thinks a country should be run.

Well their shitty ship is sinking. They have let the people of Scotland down for too long.
People on a huge salary should not be getting free prescriptions when this money could be spent on much better things (exhaustive list).
But then all the SNP care about are getting votes from stupid people.

whitewineandsun · 18/06/2025 13:05

It's a different country! That's why.

Sofiewoo · 18/06/2025 13:04

Didshejustsaythatoutloud · 18/06/2025 12:58

Free prescriptions for all are a fuckin disgrace.
This is not something I am proud of being Scottish.

Scotland isn’t the only place to have free prescriptions.
I’m glad NI does, why should people with chronic illnesses pay more for a supposedly free at the point of use healthcare system?The number of protected conditions with free prescriptions is tiny and extremely dated. When I lived in England, having to pay for regular asthma medication which was chronic, life long and lift threatening was ridiculous.

Didshejustsaythatoutloud · 18/06/2025 12:58

englishandelegant · 18/06/2025 10:22

We are not one nation, we are four separate nations who combine for various political matters.
It could be as simple as England is a bigger nation and therefore it would be more expensive to pay all English carers that amount, whereas Scotland is smaller and has fewer people overall. Or it could be Scottish govt decision on how they allocate funds for different things. I agree it seems unfair in some ways but there are also various other things Scotland do that I feel are better- free prescriptions, free bus travel for under 21s, no separate water bill etc. But they are a separate nation, there’ll be other things England do differently too.

Free prescriptions for all are a fuckin disgrace.
This is not something I am proud of being Scottish.

Sofiewoo · 18/06/2025 12:57

KindleAndCake · 18/06/2025 12:41

I didn't mean one nation, ignore that, i meant, United Kingdom.

That doesn’t make any more sense. The United Kingdom is made up of 4 largely self governing states.

JockTamsonsBairns · 18/06/2025 12:52

KindleAndCake · 18/06/2025 12:41

I didn't mean one nation, ignore that, i meant, United Kingdom.

But, the United Kingdom doesn't have one government?

TigerIamNot · 18/06/2025 12:49

carers allowance is in any case (even Scotland) and abysmal amount considering the hours of care must be provided. I think your anger is misplaced but it's only gonna get worse with a lot of people likely to lose PIP and the carers losing carers allowance as a result. I paid carers are treated like the lowest of the lowest in this country.

Workisntworking · 18/06/2025 12:48

People in the UK generally want decisions made at a local level. They think local politicians and/or administrators know their community better. That could be tuition costs, availability of particular treatments in an NHS trust or number of recycling bins from the council.

The same people do not particularly like the so called postcode lottery, especially when someone over the road/hill/valley gets more of something. They don't notice when the person over the road/hill/valley gets less of something else or pays more income tax to make the budget balance.

Woshah · 18/06/2025 12:47

KindleAndCake · 18/06/2025 12:41

I didn't mean one nation, ignore that, i meant, United Kingdom.

England holds the voting block of the UK, if england wants certain things, they need to vote for parties that offer that or new parties need to spring up to fill a gap if there is one.

Itsnearlyxmas · 18/06/2025 12:46

KindleAndCake · 18/06/2025 12:41

I didn't mean one nation, ignore that, i meant, United Kingdom.

Scotland is still a different country

KindleAndCake · 18/06/2025 12:41

I didn't mean one nation, ignore that, i meant, United Kingdom.

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outdooryone · 18/06/2025 12:40

Another one who says 'we are a union of four nations, not one'. It is amazing how many English people do not understand this fact. I work in all four nations, and it is only England folk who do not get this personally or professionally.

And I pay nearly £2k more income tax than if I lived south of the border - but enjoy the many benefits that brings by living up here, from free prescriptions, to different benefit systems and levels, or my children's free university tuition.

You are right to be upset that a carers allowance is lower where you are, and I am of the view it is not high enough in any of our four nations.

OldMcDonaldHadABigMac · 18/06/2025 12:40

Computersaysdontwantto · 18/06/2025 10:31

Scotland gets £2,000 more per hear a year to spend than it raises in taxes thanks to the Barnett formula. Instead of improving public services with this money it chooses to give this money away in benefits and ‘free’ things. Prescriptions, baby boxes, university tuition, much higher pip equivalent, no bedroom tax etc. they keep getting voted in by people living off benefits, public services keep getting worse, income tax on those earning more than the average wage keeps going up.

Its the way the SNP thinks a country should be run.

What's the higher pip equivalent?

NImumconfused · 18/06/2025 12:29

Why is it fair parents in Northern Ireland get much less help with childcare costs that the rest of the UK? Or students here have access to much lower maintenance loans?

Devolved governments decide their own priorities.