Do you think schools should relax uniforms policies re hot weather

Ours has!
No ties no blazers so they can do just shirts (open top button) and tailored shorts.

Because the British have been indoctrinated into believing that uniforms are necessary. If you start allowing them to see their children are perfectly capable of learning while dressed comfortably it will be far harder to keep up the pretence that it actually makes a bit of fucking difference. All the countries in Europe that are known to have better attainment levels and better school systems are uniform free

This country is still so trapped in its class system it's trying to emulate the private education system in the only way it can

@RosesAndHellebores

There is a reason why the vast majority of schools with the best results have strict uniforms, including blazers and ties.

They do already here. No tie or blazer is required from now until the end of the school year.

School is not the army.
Whilst discipline and respect are important both work best when there is mutuality.
Both can be demonstrated also by:
Arriving on time
Being polite
Not interrupting
Not disrupting
Not being unkind to others
Handing work in on time/preparing for tests

I believe there would be more mutuality if teachers focused on what was important rather than a top button or a polyester blazer.

Both of my children's schools had uniforms and I used to think uniform was more important than I do now. Neither of their schools were draconian about it. DD had none in 6th form and there was never a blazer.

One school is regularly in the UK top 3 for results, the other always very high up the tables. Both if my children are well disciplined and respectful. Both in education and neither would agree with you.

Our school has a summer uniform, golfers and shorts and caps. Blazers are only for assembly and that’s an hour twice a week. That’s it. We also have air conditioning in classes. It’s ridiculous expecting kids to be using blazers and jumpers !

There is no good reason why there should not be a whole school directive that blazers are not needed at all in hot weather - removing any need for individual teachers to be involved at all.

As I have said, DC’s school had a polo shirt summer uniform, and regularly issued whole-school no-blazer days / weeks / longer depending on weather.

@cantkeepawayforever

No schools force DC to wear unsuitable clothing. Teachers can and do give permission to remove blazers in exceptionally warm weather.

Discipline and respect is best maintained by setting clear, reasonable and rational rules that are consistently enforced.

It is actively undermined when rules are set that are irrational and unreasonable.

Requiring children to wear clothing that is actively unsuitable for the weather conditions (as opposed to just ‘not what they would prefer to wear’) falls into the latter category.

@RosesAndHellebores

Uniform is about discipline and respect though. Requiring blazers and jumpers to be worn unless permission is granted is about showing respect for adults in the school.

It’s ridiculous but, unless the parents force the issue as a united front, nothing will change.

Teachers don't make or have any influence over the uniform rules though - perhaps just the senior management team and governors.

My personal view is that for anywhere that requires a uniform or gas a dress code there should be a proper risk assessment including hot/cold weather

No, but if the children are expected to wear clothing that is inappropriate for the weather conditions and teachers police an unreasonable expectation, it is reasonable in my experience, that teaching staff should suffer the same level of discomfort as the children, particularly when the children are five years old.

Do you really not see the logic of the argument? If a school teacher would be uncomfortable, why should they expect the children to be. If they do, do you not see how respect is eroded?

The teachers, who have authority vested in their role, shoukd be setting excellent examples in relation to dress and behaviour in my opinion.

Yes our school does

I think they should relax uniform policy full stop

My dd's school moves to polo shirt and no tie after May half term (used to be all summer term so annoyingly only buying for 6 weeks use).

This is yet another example of why school uniforms are bloody ridiculous. At least at primary there are alternatives that allow some acknowledgement of the weather. DD1 was a college in shorts and a t-shirt earlier this week, her sister on the same day had to wear black opaque tights, a black skirt, a shirt, tie, and black blazer. Very glad tomorrow is leavers day and she can learn how to dress for the weather. And never have to wear a tie ever again.

Ours has a summer ‘no tie’ uniform, no blazer on hot days, tomorrow and Friday they can wear PE kits. Will be interesting to see if they actually stick to the proper PE kit.

I sent a message to my dds secondary yesterday as since last Friday they have been waiting until 1st lesson to tell children they don’t need to wear blazers and they then have to carry them around all day!
I asked as the weather isn’t cooling off anytime soon- could they not make the decision earlier or for the next few days- to save the hassle on the kids.

i think relaxing ties would be a good choice too.

Are those professions’ holidays also unpaid?

at DD’s school the teachers have the authority to allow the students to remove blazers and jumpers during hot weather, and while most allow them to remove at least the blazer, some require them to keep everything on no matter how hot. DD says there are a couple that let the girls remove jumpers and blazers but seem to enjoy making the boys keep their jumpers and blazers on.

That's equally stupid!!

What is it with these stupid rules about uniforms in hot weather?

I fail to see why teachers at their place of work should be subject to the same rules as the children. Once more; teachers do not make the rules about uniform or anything else. Im not saying that the rules are sensible, but as a teacher I do not expect to be obliged to follow school rules on dress, phones, jewellery, piercings etc.

That's not a common stance
Usually no jumper/blazer, especially when temps high 20s+