Iran - full evacuation of Tehran?

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Awful!

So now you have a crystal ball ?

You'd better let MI5 know.

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/middle-east/iran-al-quds-day-protest-clock-president-hassan-rouhani-a7806056.html

Heres their bloody stupid clock.

That will all be on record somewhere so you could look it up yourself. It will be in the Court documents.

It's not my responsibility to prove anything.

They have a public clock that counts down to the destruction of Israel. 🙄

I actually didn’t realise how misinformed the general public is about the middle east until I came on mumsnet. Theres a bunch here who get their talking points from tiktok but seem to have zero general knowledge.

One of the Gaza convoy people published a map of where they were planning to go on facebook, it was completely wrong and if they had followed it they would have ended up in the exact opposite place. The Rafah crossing isn’t on the red sea and Egypt is a sovereign nation who actually build the bloody great big blockade they were apparently trying to break. It was funny but also shocking to me that people who would go this far didn’t know even the basics.

So you believe Zelensky's propaganda ?

Why should any country reveal their defence capability to another?

Are you OK?

And who told us that? Netenyahu’s regime? Right, we definitely trust them wholeheartedly.

Israel can’t enforce regime change, it can paralyse the current regime so Iranians themselves can enforce regime change.

I asked a valid question. If Trump is protecting Putin as Zelensky said last night, should Europe not investigate why he is making sure Putin (aka Trump) continues his reign of terror in Ukraine?
Friend of your enemy and all that? What is wrong with my point?

It is a valid question. However, however much I dislike Keir Starmer, he is not a war criminal wanted by the ICC so I am not that worried for him.

@Amplepombear

(by the way, I would quite like to see where Israeli regime is hiding their nukes; their landmass is so small that they are likely using their population as human shields

Before boarding that particular outrage bus you might want to look at where other countries, including the UK,.store or have stored their nuclear weapons, or elements thereof.

@Amplepombear "I am sure we are about a step away from counting Trump as state-sponsored terrorist now that it has emerged he is protecting Putin against Ukraine."

Are you OK?

@Amplepombear " (by the way, I would quite like to see where Israeli regime is hiding their nukes; their landmass is so small that they are likely using their population as human shields. It is potentially another regional disaster in making if not investigated and controlled.)"

They aren't "hiding" them anywhere.
I understand they are at an airbase in the Negev Desert.
I suspect they also have a nuclear sub somewhere, but who knows?

I am sure we are about a step away from counting Trump as state-sponsored terrorist now that it has emerged he is protecting Putin against Ukraine.

This is why I said don’t bring proxies into it because it is very hard to assess them. In fact, USA and U.K. made the current regime of Iran a possibility via precisely that route. So I suggest we stay away from something we can’t see obviously and which everyone is using, including Israeli regime. There is undeniable and plenty of evidence for it, including within Iran.

But a unilateral attack on a sovereign nation? That is where the civilised world like Europe draws a line.

@Amplepombear don’t bring proxies into it - Israel, US, UK, Iran, and all the rest of the world use proxies.

I don't know what you mean by "proxies"?

If you mean State Sponsored Terrorism then you are incorrect.

State-sponsored terrorism* *is terrorist violence carried out with the active support of national governments provided to violent non-state actors It contrasts with state terrorism, which is carried out directly by state actors.

The US State Department currently lists Cuba, Iran, North Korea, and Syria as state sponsors of terrorism

Antisemitic racism? I am constantly trying to make people separate Israeli regime from the Israeli people who I am sure, and I know!, are innocent in all this. It is Trump and his cronies backed by oligarchs that I am talking about. These people have no religion and no humanity either.
And for the millionth time: we have resolved ages ago on Mumsnet that being anti-Israeli regime is NOT antisemitism. Please stop bringing that out all the time. It is very unfair.

I am typing while walking so sorry for the typos!

Those genocides are as important as may others. Not saying they are not. However, I am rightly more worried about a regime that is committing genocide AND had nukes that they have never allowed anyone to investigate even. Can you not see why?

(by the way, I would quite like to see where Israeli regime is hiding their nukes; their landmass is so small that they are likely using their population as human shields. It is potentially another regional disaster in making if not investigated and controlled.)

Iran and Israel are chalk and cheese. The former kills girls who do not conform to Islamic dress codes, the latter gives women full and equal human rights. The former will kill gays and anyone else that opposes it, the latter is a democracy.

Yes of course Israel will attack those that attack it. Several times over it's short history Israel's neighbours have tried to exterminate it, each time Israel has defended itself. Sadly it's attackers hide in hospitals, schools etc. Hamas's supporters even regurgitate Hamas' own statistics like 500 killed by Israel in a hospital... oh wait that was Hamas wasn't it!

The sooner Israel, Houthis, Hezbollah, Hamas and their useful idiots waving their flags on the streets of the UK are deposed the better life will be for everyone in the ME. Some people won't be happy until only the jews are exterminated though, right?

So those genocides are not important because the perpetrators don't have nukes ? Really ?

And what is an "unventilated nuke arsenal " ?

Right, now Iranians are begging Israel for a regime change. 🙄 Now I have heard it all.

The sooner the Iranian leadership is toppled the better. I know some Iranians and they are decent hard working people who hate the current regime.

The Iranian regime causes much of the ME issues and props up Hezbollah, the Houthis, Hamas and by extension all their useful idiots we see protesting on UK streets every weekend for the Gazans. All of them anti semitic and want jews exterminated "from the river to the sea" as they merrily chant in towns across the UK. The sooner they are brought down the whole rotten lot will collapse and the decent Iranians, Lebanese and Palestinians can take back control again.

After Iran, most of the ME issues are then probably the result of Labour's dodgy dossier and their determination to take the UK into a war killing 500,000 the results of which are still being felt today... yet people still vote Labour despite this record. Unbelievable.

I read in the Matthew Syed article recently in the Times about this that Iran sent 20,000 children onto minefields to die in the Iran-Iraq war - have since done more research and corroborated this fact. They were convinced (brainwashed) into being 'religious martyrs'. Children cleared mines with their bodies, were told they'd go to heaven. He also says in this article that western commentators make the mistake of not recognising that the Iranian leadership is a death cult - they really don't care if their own people die. They wouldn't show restraint out of fear of repercussions if they were to use a nuclear weapon.

Syed says many of the Iranian population support Israel's actions because they understand this better than we do. It's an interesting article (in which he also criticises Israel, but for their actions in Gaza, not for attacking Iran).

Israel knows what we won’t accept: the mullahs want nuclear war