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Iran - full evacuation of Tehran?

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Fitasafiddle1 · 17/06/2025 04:18

Genuinely finding it hard to sleep now having seen the news that Tehran - a population of 10 million are being urgently advised to leave. Is anyone else feeling very concerned (and nervous) watching what is now taking place in the ME? It is being reported that Israel have ‘full ariel control’ of Iran?

www.timesofisrael.com/liveblog_entry/israel-has-full-control-of-tehrans-airspace-over-100-missile-launchers-destroyed-idf-says/

www.euronews.com/2025/06/17/trump-hints-at-major-israeli-offensive-as-he-urges-all-of-tehran-to-evacuate-immediately

https://www.aljazeera.com/amp/news/liveblog/2025/6/17/live-israel-iran-trade-attacks-trump-orders-residents-of-tehran-to-flee

Blasts rock Tehran, Tel Aviv; Iran warns Israel of ‘devastating’ attacks

Blasts rock Tehran and sirens blare in Tel Aviv as hostilities between Iran and Israel continue for a fifth day.

https://www.aljazeera.com/amp/news/liveblog/2025/6/17/live-israel-iran-trade-attacks-trump-orders-residents-of-tehran-to-flee

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ClockFront · 17/06/2025 18:56

Amplepombear · 17/06/2025 18:42

Or may be people are asking objective questions and requiring proof for claims?

Which ME government or autocracy or whatever has a warrant on its PM’s name so he can’t put his foot in the U.K.?

Why are you asking me this? Very odd. I never even suggested ME leaders couldn’t come here.

alikelylass · 17/06/2025 18:56

nomas · 17/06/2025 18:52

You do get that Israel attacked Iran right? Right?

Yes, and Iran has been bankrolling Hamas and Hezbollah as proxies to attack Israel, so they bought this on themselves

Fitasafiddle1 · 17/06/2025 18:55

ClockFront · 17/06/2025 18:28

What a disingenuous response. The UK government has clearly declared its support for Israel more than once. Not just called for calm 🙄 Have you seen it declare its support for the aggressors in Yemen and Sudan?

It is not disingenuous. I am not here to defend the government, I’m here to discuss what is happening.

You seem to be alluding to the idea that Gaza and Hamas are mere victims of Iraeli violence when you know this isn’t true. It’s a war not genocide. They are completely different.

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nomas · 17/06/2025 18:52

alikelylass · 17/06/2025 18:43

UK is supporting Israel's right to defend itself.

And please stop banging on about "genocides", and other emotive rhetoric.

Writing hysterical posts doesn't help the debate.

You do get that Israel attacked Iran right? Right?

Cecilia4848 · 17/06/2025 18:52

alikelylass · 17/06/2025 18:50

The number of missiles coming over in Israel's direction seems to have reduced considerably, so it looks like they are running out of steam.

Israel has removed most of the leaders of the Iranian Revolutionary Guard, so they are on the back foot now.

You like to think that🤷🏻‍♀️So naive.

Cecilia4848 · 17/06/2025 18:51

alikelylass · 17/06/2025 18:43

UK is supporting Israel's right to defend itself.

And please stop banging on about "genocides", and other emotive rhetoric.

Writing hysterical posts doesn't help the debate.

You are just using this term as you support Israel. They have gone far beyond a reasonable response to the attack on 7th October now and most people recognise that. What they are doing in Gaza is the very definition of genocide and ethnic cleansing. The world SHOULD be hysterical
about that quite rightly!

alikelylass · 17/06/2025 18:50

MistressoftheDarkSide · 17/06/2025 18:47

It's ok, Trump has demanded Iran's unconditional surrender and said they won't kill their leader "for now." Bet that's gone down well. Guardian live, in case anyone thinks I'm making it up.

The number of missiles coming over in Israel's direction seems to have reduced considerably, so it looks like they are running out of steam.

Israel has removed most of the leaders of the Iranian Revolutionary Guard, so they are on the back foot now.

MistressoftheDarkSide · 17/06/2025 18:47

It's ok, Trump has demanded Iran's unconditional surrender and said they won't kill their leader "for now." Bet that's gone down well. Guardian live, in case anyone thinks I'm making it up.

alikelylass · 17/06/2025 18:43

ClockFront · 17/06/2025 18:10

The issue that I have a problem with, is that the UK govt is supporting Israel as it continues to murder Gazan children. I detest that. Maybe I have missed it but I have not seen the UK government support the genocides you mentioned?

UK is supporting Israel's right to defend itself.

And please stop banging on about "genocides", and other emotive rhetoric.

Writing hysterical posts doesn't help the debate.

Amplepombear · 17/06/2025 18:42

ClockFront · 17/06/2025 18:40

I can’t think of any ME government I support either. People are so binary on here.

Or may be people are asking objective questions and requiring proof for claims?

Which ME government or autocracy or whatever has a warrant on its PM’s name so he can’t put his foot in the U.K.?

ClockFront · 17/06/2025 18:40

Amplepombear · 17/06/2025 18:37

The U.K. government was also about to announce a ban on Israeli ministers right when the Israeli regime started this war.

Can you name one ME country that has a PM that cannot come to the U.K. for a fear of arrest?

I can’t think of any ME government I support either. People are so binary on here.

alikelylass · 17/06/2025 18:39

AnonymousBleep · 17/06/2025 16:43

They're a city state - OK 'territory' - of 2 million people with no way of supporting themselves. Even the sea is controlled by Israel. So it's not surprising they're unemployed - so would everyone be in Dubai (for example) if the UAE Royal family didn't have billions and billions of dirhams to throw at it. The Middle East was historically very poor before oil was found. It's not surprising that Gazans blame Israel for their poverty - and what solution does Hamas actually have? Gaza has no access to farming or minerals or forest, so nothing to manufacture. I suppose they could create a services-based industry but they'd be competing against, well, us for that. Also this problem has existed long before Hamas came to power.

You need to read the history of the area.

When Israel occupied Gaza from 1967 until 2005 they had a booming market gardening and floristry business. They exported fruit & veg all over the world.

Israel pulled out in 2005 after international pressure was brought to bear.

Then the Palestinians looted the greenhouses. They used some of the irrigation pipes as rocket launchers to attack Israel.

See this from 2005 - https://www.nbcnews.com/id/wbna9331863

Looters strip Gaza greenhouses

Palestinians looted dozens of greenhouses on Tuesday, walking off with irrigation hoses, water pumps and plastic sheeting in a blow to fledgling efforts to reconstruct the Gaza Strip.

https://www.nbcnews.com/id/wbna9331863

Amplepombear · 17/06/2025 18:38

ClockFront · 17/06/2025 18:28

What a disingenuous response. The UK government has clearly declared its support for Israel more than once. Not just called for calm 🙄 Have you seen it declare its support for the aggressors in Yemen and Sudan?

Also, it is not just the U.K. Netenyahu is now wanted in LOADS of countries. I am talking about non-Muslim countries by the way.

Amplepombear · 17/06/2025 18:37

ClockFront · 17/06/2025 18:28

What a disingenuous response. The UK government has clearly declared its support for Israel more than once. Not just called for calm 🙄 Have you seen it declare its support for the aggressors in Yemen and Sudan?

The U.K. government was also about to announce a ban on Israeli ministers right when the Israeli regime started this war.

Can you name one ME country that has a PM that cannot come to the U.K. for a fear of arrest?

ClockFront · 17/06/2025 18:28

Fitasafiddle1 · 17/06/2025 18:15

I am not sure Israel are setting out to ‘murder children’ and we have to remember that there are also murdered babies and children that were Israeli. The government in the U.K. has called for calm, what more would you like to see them do?

What a disingenuous response. The UK government has clearly declared its support for Israel more than once. Not just called for calm 🙄 Have you seen it declare its support for the aggressors in Yemen and Sudan?

Amplepombear · 17/06/2025 18:27

Fitasafiddle1 · 17/06/2025 17:17

Can you list peaceful democratic Islamic nations in the ME please? Not autocratic dictatorships but ones that offer democracy, human rights and tolerance?

This is the precise definition of whataboutery. Are you suggesting Israeli regime practices human rights and tolerance? The last time I checked, all international bodies were calling them out for their genocidal murderous actions.

Cecilia4848 · 17/06/2025 18:26

Fitasafiddle1 · 17/06/2025 18:15

I am not sure Israel are setting out to ‘murder children’ and we have to remember that there are also murdered babies and children that were Israeli. The government in the U.K. has called for calm, what more would you like to see them do?

There are a heck of a lot more dead babies in Gaza than Israel though. Israel doesn’t give a toss how many children they kill. They don’t really think of Palestinians as human beings. I don’t really see a difference between Iran and Israel anymore. They are both rogue nations and I don’t think the Israelis should have access to nuclear weapons either unless they see sense and elect a new moderate government.

ClockFront · 17/06/2025 18:16

marmaladeandpeanutbutter · 17/06/2025 14:28

The people of Iran deserve better than their current leader, Netanyahu and Trump. They’re all callous bastards.

Yep. I will add the leader of Hamas to that. They are all disgusting men and I hope they and their supporters rot in hell.

Fitasafiddle1 · 17/06/2025 18:15

ClockFront · 17/06/2025 18:10

The issue that I have a problem with, is that the UK govt is supporting Israel as it continues to murder Gazan children. I detest that. Maybe I have missed it but I have not seen the UK government support the genocides you mentioned?

I am not sure Israel are setting out to ‘murder children’ and we have to remember that there are also murdered babies and children that were Israeli. The government in the U.K. has called for calm, what more would you like to see them do?

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ClockFront · 17/06/2025 18:10

alikelylass · 17/06/2025 11:57

So are you also calling out the ongoing genocides in Darfur, Yemen, and those involving the Tigray, Rohingya, and Uyghur?

Or is it just the Israelis you have a problem with?

The issue that I have a problem with, is that the UK govt is supporting Israel as it continues to murder Gazan children. I detest that. Maybe I have missed it but I have not seen the UK government support the genocides you mentioned?

Fitasafiddle1 · 17/06/2025 18:08

AnonymousBleep · 17/06/2025 17:37

But as we discussed earlier, some of Iran's rhetoric may be hateful, and they have proxies through Hamas and Hezbollah, but none of that equates to an actual plan to extinguish every last Jew. They've never directly stated such a thing either. Iran claims it distinguishes between Jews and Zionists, and it's the Zionist regime they want to see eliminated. That's their official position. The existence of a nuclear programme does not equate to wanting to nuke Israel. Obviously it's understandable that this would make Israel nervous - but Israel also has nuclear weapons, and that undoubtedly makes Iran nervous. Israel being enabled (by the USA/West) to be the most heavily armed country in that territory is going to make everyone else nervous, and create resentment against the West.

I'm not pro Israel or pro Iran btw (quite hard to find much to like in either regime at the moment tbh). I'm just trying to find some understanding of the situation, I'm not 'picking a side.' I don't think it's a black and white conflict by any stretch of the imagination and it just feels to me like the seething volcano that is the Middle East at the best of times has erupted, and now the rest of the world is going to be covered in lava.

I have seen multiple times over the years threats to annihilate Israel.

https://edition.cnn.com/2014/11/10/world/meast/iran-annihilate-israel

There are so many examples over the years, so I don’t think this is overblown in this instance.

Nor is the fear of a nuclear attack from Iran mere hearsay and exaggerated. I very much understand why this is an enormous risk well beyond the region.

I certainly don’t know anyone in real life that picks a ‘side’ in this way, most would prefer to see a permanent solution.

If Iran are blocking a peace deal maybe that’s why they are being removed? The stakes are much too high now to sit idly by.

Iran leader’s call to ‘annihilate’ Israel sparks fury as nuclear deadline looms | CNN

A call by Iran’s supreme leader for the elimination of Israel shows that world powers must not rush into a deal on Iran’s nuclear program, Netanyahu says.

https://edition.cnn.com/2014/11/10/world/meast/iran-annihilate-israel

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EasternStandard · 17/06/2025 17:42

DdraigGoch · 17/06/2025 17:39

I think that when faced with a regime who are on the brink of having nuclear weapons, Israel may well think that they've got nothing to lose with a change of leadership, particularly if they've destroyed the nuclear programme in the process.

I think this is the aim of US and G7 too

DdraigGoch · 17/06/2025 17:39

PandoraSocks · 17/06/2025 09:44

But a different government would be less of a threat to Israel

That is a very risky bet to make.

I think that when faced with a regime who are on the brink of having nuclear weapons, Israel may well think that they've got nothing to lose with a change of leadership, particularly if they've destroyed the nuclear programme in the process.

AnonymousBleep · 17/06/2025 17:37

Fitasafiddle1 · 17/06/2025 17:14

I believe that a cross party of representation should replace Hamas. It should represent all 2 million citizens and the religious leaders, interests and historical parties. The UN and other peace keepers should oversee a brand new pact whereby Gaza has exports, imports, access to some areas of the sea etc. All of that would be possible if anyone for a single minute thought it would be respected.

The issue here is that Iran and others do not want peace for anyone, they want every last Jew to be extinguished. That is their aim. So how can anyone broker a deal if any kind?
They simply do not want to share the land, peace or anything else. This aggressive, violent pro Hamas stance has been ignored for too long perhaps? What if it’s the case that the west have too relaxed, and not been firm enough from the beginning? It’s a different view point, but one worth asking.

But as we discussed earlier, some of Iran's rhetoric may be hateful, and they have proxies through Hamas and Hezbollah, but none of that equates to an actual plan to extinguish every last Jew. They've never directly stated such a thing either. Iran claims it distinguishes between Jews and Zionists, and it's the Zionist regime they want to see eliminated. That's their official position. The existence of a nuclear programme does not equate to wanting to nuke Israel. Obviously it's understandable that this would make Israel nervous - but Israel also has nuclear weapons, and that undoubtedly makes Iran nervous. Israel being enabled (by the USA/West) to be the most heavily armed country in that territory is going to make everyone else nervous, and create resentment against the West.

I'm not pro Israel or pro Iran btw (quite hard to find much to like in either regime at the moment tbh). I'm just trying to find some understanding of the situation, I'm not 'picking a side.' I don't think it's a black and white conflict by any stretch of the imagination and it just feels to me like the seething volcano that is the Middle East at the best of times has erupted, and now the rest of the world is going to be covered in lava.

User37482 · 17/06/2025 17:31

DodoTired · 17/06/2025 16:53

yeah I think there is zero chance of Iran becoming peaceful democratic country after this intervention

it is unfortunately wishful thinking

the Islamic revolution didn’t happen out of the blue. Large majority supported and still supports the radical Islamic way of life (again look at other countries …)

it takes a lot more than to just overthrow a government. Even 20 years occupation of Afghanistan didn’t fundamentally change anything

https://www.iranintl.com/en/202402245769

I really don’t think the majority of Iranians are radical islamists.

Government Study Shows Iranians Less Religious Than Before

A study by the Ministry of Culture and Islamic Guidance reveals a significant decline in adherence to religious values, despite extensive ideological propaganda by the government in Iran.

https://www.iranintl.com/en/202402245769