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In light of Montessori carer found guilty today of cruelty to think cctv should be in all nurseries

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Sunshineandoranges · 16/06/2025 16:07

I just read about the ongoing cruelty of the Montessori nurse convicted today. I realise that any recording of children has to be kept away from paedophiles but would it be safer to have ongoing recording of little children to be reviewed by managers weekly to check what’s going on. The mums and dads of those little children will be heartbroken and the poor little kids didn’t deserve to be abused. Has she been on cctv, this abuser would have been stopped much sooner.

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FanofLeaves · 16/06/2025 17:05

MandarinCat · 16/06/2025 16:59

I thought that might have been why it didn't continue. As long as there was no cctv in the changing area, what would anyone be seeing other than kids playing? Same as they could see if they lived in a flat overlooking a school or playground. I do think it would keep kids safer if workers knew a grandparent could be watching. I think it would be good in care homes or anywhere with non verbal residents too.

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Yes but that’s putting a hell of a lot of trust into everyone’s family members that they’re not watching other people’s children for nefarious reasons.
plus as a childcare worker I wouldn’t work somewhere where I could be watched whenever anyone pleased. I worked for a toddler once, I was told there was cctv but not about the absolute micromanaging that would come with it as a result of someone being able to tune into my working day constantly.

MandarinCat · 16/06/2025 16:59

FanofLeaves · 16/06/2025 16:49

They did trial this in some nurseries but it’s a huge safeguarding risk. There would be multiple children available to watch and you just don’t know what hands it would fall into if parents were able to share a password for the watching of small children.

Personally though, as a nanny I will not work in a home where I’m subject to being constantly monitored by cctv.

My son’s nursery has cctv but only for the purpose of being watched back should an issue arise. This is for the benefit of the staff too. In the above case o think the most serious concern is that she was allowed to continue to abuse children and the other staff either didn’t see or didn’t report her.

I thought that might have been why it didn't continue. As long as there was no cctv in the changing area, what would anyone be seeing other than kids playing? Same as they could see if they lived in a flat overlooking a school or playground. I do think it would keep kids safer if workers knew a grandparent could be watching. I think it would be good in care homes or anywhere with non verbal residents too.

FanofLeaves · 16/06/2025 16:49

MandarinCat · 16/06/2025 16:33

About 20 years ago I was starting to hear about nursery cctv that parents could log into. I remember a friend's mum logging in to watch her granddaughter. It seemed a good idea. I doubt kate roughly would have behaved as she did if she knew people could log in and see her. It's a shame it didn't catch on.

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They did trial this in some nurseries but it’s a huge safeguarding risk. There would be multiple children available to watch and you just don’t know what hands it would fall into if parents were able to share a password for the watching of small children.

Personally though, as a nanny I will not work in a home where I’m subject to being constantly monitored by cctv.

My son’s nursery has cctv but only for the purpose of being watched back should an issue arise. This is for the benefit of the staff too. In the above case o think the most serious concern is that she was allowed to continue to abuse children and the other staff either didn’t see or didn’t report her.

legoplaybook · 16/06/2025 16:35

Sunshineandoranges · 16/06/2025 16:07

I just read about the ongoing cruelty of the Montessori nurse convicted today. I realise that any recording of children has to be kept away from paedophiles but would it be safer to have ongoing recording of little children to be reviewed by managers weekly to check what’s going on. The mums and dads of those little children will be heartbroken and the poor little kids didn’t deserve to be abused. Has she been on cctv, this abuser would have been stopped much sooner.

There was CCTV in that nursery.
It was used at the trial.

There was CCTV at the nursery where a baby was murdered recently.

CCTV doesn't stop abuse, it just creates evidence.

MandarinCat · 16/06/2025 16:33

About 20 years ago I was starting to hear about nursery cctv that parents could log into. I remember a friend's mum logging in to watch her granddaughter. It seemed a good idea. I doubt kate roughly would have behaved as she did if she knew people could log in and see her. It's a shame it didn't catch on.

ShiningStar3 · 16/06/2025 16:28

The average nursery doesn't have the time, money or resources to actively monitor staff via CCTV. I've worked in some nurseries that had CCTV and they were used mainly to look back and check after an incident had already happened (child falling, child hitting another, etc) for clarification.

Ninkynonkpinkyponks · 16/06/2025 16:28

ScrewedByFunding · 16/06/2025 16:17

Cctv didn't stop the death of Genevieve Meehan.

This is v true

Poopeepoopee · 16/06/2025 16:27

What an awful human being that woman is.

Don't think CCTV is the answer though - well, not the full solution anyway.

No one wants to be filmed and scritinised every minute of their working day - this is where the real problem is.

YankSplaining · 16/06/2025 16:24

“Reviewed by managers weekly” - I understand that some of this abuse was the carer pinching and scratching toddlers. Someone would have to watch all the footage very closely to make sure that wasn’t happening. Who has the time to watch a whole week’s worth of footage closely, and who’s paying for them to watch it?

I think what people really need is a society in which very young children are being cared for in smaller settings by a trusted adult, as opposed to in institutionalized childcare.

ScrewedByFunding · 16/06/2025 16:17

Cctv didn't stop the death of Genevieve Meehan.

rubyslippers · 16/06/2025 16:14

Why didn’t her colleagues report her?
where were the staffing ratios?
lots of questions