Do you trust the state to protect and provide for you?

we do need a new world order. to improve society

Seems like the whole thread is Reform!

we could use more gated communities etc where it gives better services to the people that want to contribute to the community ect, too often things get built then its oh x person vandalised this or groups causing riots etc

You think that but if no power of attorney its down to social services, nhs and health services they may say they take into account spouse and family wishes but they dont

The poor teachers have impossible task they can't tell off children if they do then parents turn up and give teachers abuse. The pupils who do want to learn get picked on by the naughty children and especially if you are a boy then the girls bully you and nothing is done my grandson had 5 girls who were 2 years older walking round his house calling him names because he was clever but he is also a kind lovely boy reported to school nothing done there was a boy who carried knife but they didn't expel him

They moved him then told wife she challenged it and said he should come home, my dad his brother supported her they said no unless you have power of attorney the state does what they want. My family has longevity grandparents born in 1895 and 86 lived until 95 and 97 but dementia in last years my father's brothers and sister's died in their 90's he is 85 now his sister now 90, we put power of attorney in place

That sounds as though one or both may have been regarded as lacking capacity and that a deprivation of liberty decision may have been taken. Who was advocating for them?

Amen to that.

I wouldn't be that sure my uncle went into hospital fell off bed and broke leg, his wife had no say on where he went they put him in care home 90 miles from her, they did have comfortable life but as they had money she had to pay 1500 a week she wanted him back home but social services said no as she was 85, he died 2 weeks later dehydrated and malnutrition

Precisely.

One just hopes one goes quickly when independence leaves.

I will say too that people sometimes don’t help themselves in this country

Take education for example, a lot of schools are not “bad” because their teachers are crap or their facilities are lacking, but because the children are raised not to value education or respect teachers. If you get too many of those kids in one school it’s hard for the teachers and the few children who do want to learn and do something in life.

Some people make a series of terrible life choices that then impacts their own physical or mental health or the mental health of their kids. It’s all “mind your own business” and “I’ll do what I want or raise my family how I see fit ” until they need help from the state.

I used to work with foster care kids and they were absolutely brilliant. I have high hopes for them. But generally speaking I can imagine many foster care kids will grow to live with the lifelong trauma of the choices their parents made. And will either be economically inactive and/or have mental or physical health issues.

Governments may be failing us but often we are also failing ourselves and those who depend on us.

The state has fuck all say where you go if you’re self funding. That’s precisely why I’m happy that I’ll be paying for myself if a care home is needed.

Everyone can fall on hard times immigrant or non- immigrants and may need support. But I do agree that people shouldn’t make benefits a lifestyles and that also applies to many British families who have been unemployed or under employed for generations. A childhood friend I used to talk to now and again didn’t work until she was 30.

Kept having kids and because her current partner does cash in hand work on an ad hoc basis, and her ex partner refuses to work at all so doesn’t pay maintenance, I guess the household income was low enough for her to receive benefits all through her 20s.

When her youngest was 5 she finally went back to work, and only does 18 hours a week now even though her kids are all secondary school now.

She chooses not to work more because she gets significant benefit top ups.

The state loves it when you get old, they will put you in some crappy care home at extortionate rates, sell your house you spent all your life buying to fund it your family have no say and the carers will be foreigners on minimum wage who don't care

No and and a parent to a severely disabled child, anyone who thinks they can when SHTF are delusional

Protect in a war? Yes.I've no choice. From normal crime? No. I expect them to prosecute if they find the culprits but they often fail to do this. Provide? No.

Yes and no. I am having an nhs birth but we both have private health insurance through dh's work. Dh got vasectomy cos we are planning for private education for 1 child and we will stay in the 2 bed flat we bought in our 20s to facilitate that.

We pay for our dental care, I paid for my cataract surgery and we’ll pay for any further surgery we need. Seems fair to me.

Anyone who works pays thousands for people who don't want to work, I was ill end of last year and doctor said why not go home we will make out patients appointments will be 3 months, if you stay you could get sicker I refused to go home as knew I was not well. Had multiple stomach ulcers due to stress as I work full-time in stressful job and constantly worry as costs gone up wages haven't now struggling to maintain property as now just over 60 so cant do what I used to do. I have two sons in late 30's who both have mental health issues due to their voilent father I have to support them as nhs does nothing how can hospital just sow up wrist that they have cut and not give them any support

Private healthcare, education and I’ve rescued my own stolen car (and know quite a few people who’ve done likewise). I’m aware I still rely on the state (for example, who trains the doctors treating me privately?)- very much not a right winger who only wants to pay for the army. But I have no faith in any of it now and I’m investing and planning on the basis that the state will do nothing for me.

This keeps on appearing on MN on a regular basis, this myth about higher taxes and better services Scandi model.

Their taxes are higher at the bottom level, not the top. Most of Scandi countries don't have IHT tax at all. Their welfare support is much more generous but also very time limited, people don't spend years living on state support.

Their prices are much higher, just read the thread about expensive holiday destinations - it's Scandi. Rightly so, because people who work even in low skill jobs are paid decently.
Just read the doc linked on this thread and then comments
Part II - To ask what you'll be doing to avoid the Labour tax - Scandi model | Mumsnet

Everyone there agreed that we can't have the same model in the UK.

What I do think is interesting to note is that my Great, great, great grandfather came to the UK from County Cork, my grandfather from Russia, my father from Germany. They all arrived as refugees with little or nothing. Not one ever received a penny from the state. They all made significant amounts of money.

I shall never criticise an immigrant but I think they should have to make their own way.

Do I trust the state? No..

Schooling is appalling

NHS is appalling (took DH over a year to get a cancer diagnosis, I’ve been waiting 20 weeks so far for an urgent appointment…) I had the ambulance service call me and ask me to make my own way to a&e when I was having an anaphylactic reaction as they had no ambulances

State pension - won’t be around by the time I retire

Police - told my sister she deserved to be raped as she’d had a couple of drinks…never turned up when I called due to someone trying to break into my house, and the rural police around here are a laughing joke with the locals, tractor gets stolen here have a crime reference number even tho CCTV clearly shows the faces

We do have an NHS dentist who has damaged my tooth so badly I’ve gone private as I don’t trust them to fix what they have done…

Never claimed benefits…never been entitled to them even when we have been made redundant and had nothing.

I pay/have paid a lot of tax since I was 18 and I am net contributor, however whenever I have needed any of the services have been let down tremendously

Private healthcare all the way now

Have a pension

Have big dogs if anyone is stupid enough to break in…

No I don’t trust them. I expect them to though & they’re failing miserably (same as tories). NHS is broken & needs a massive overhaul but instead, their answer to it is chuck more billions at it. No dentists. Still too much going to foreign aid. Unemployment up, GDP shrinking & meanwhile, they’re all over FB telling us what a wonderful job they’re doing.

What middle class people can afford private everything? I do think living standards are dropping for the middle class but the idea that they can afford everything private? How?