There will be a national enquiry into the grooming gangs

Yes you're right. You must have blinked when I did that.

"Bigot" was your insult of choice as a reminder. But that's what they usually say isn't it when things aren't going their way...

Luckily others on this thread can read both mine and your replies. I'll leave it there.

“Catholics are a minority religion in the UK, yet members of that minority religion bombed the UK for many years.”
This is factually incorrect and a ridiculous thing to say.
Catholics did not bomb the UK.

The IRA bombed the UK.

The IRA are a terrorist group - not a religion. They were not conducting their terror campaign in the name of religion.
Your comments are starting to sound very anti Catholic.

I'm getting tired off your finger wagging and you seem to lack the ability to follow an argument. I haven't insulted you or used -ists. You're making stuff up which isn't balanced or logical. Your posts don't contain many uncomfortable truths, don't worry.

A balanced argument is where you look at both sides of the discussion. I must have blinked when you did that.

Disgraceful reply.

You're choosing to ignore my agreement re: the Catholic church.

You've now thrown your toys out of the pram and resorted to the 'ists towards me.

Thankfully, others are reading your replies and you'll show yourself up without me having to lower myself to insult you. Thing with the liberals isn't it, they don't mind insult flinging. I tend to prefer reasoned logical debates myself. My posts are very balanced , I feel sure of that. They may contain some uncomfortable truths that make some want to look the other way, but they're rational and reasoned.

I will not be shut up by you and your name calling.

Because per capita shows if one group of men are more vile than another group

It's not me who's willfully ignorant. Tarring everyone with the same brush has never been perceived as a mark of intelligence.

Catholics are a minority religion in the UK, yet members of that minority religion bombed the UK for many years. I didn't notice any leaders of that minority group taking responsibility and say "not in our name". I don't remember anyone demanding it either perhaps because they didn't lump every single Catholic together.

Bigots tend not to listen to anyone else but bigots.

You've drank the kool aid.

So, you think if members affiliating to one particular minority group in the UK is responsible for literally almost all of the terrorist attacks in the UK, you don't think it's obvious for senior members of that minority group to come out publicly say "not in our name" ? Knowing full well it's going to cause mass tensions towards that minority group as a result.

Honestly, I don't feel I can try to make you see logical sense. It's feeling like willful ignorance. If you don't want extreme right wing bigots in taking over, you're going the wrong way about it.

They should be named, shamed, and jailed. In every community.

The people who should be apologising are those responsible for covering it up. In fact, they should be prosecuted for it.

What does per capita matter when girls and women’s lives are ruined?

How many women do we see on AIBU being physically abused and coercively controlled by their husbands or partners who are urged to seek help, but so few take the well-meant advice to leave? Every single day.

Yes - Maggie Oliver, Ann Cryer, Sarah Champion etc

I agree. But its going to take some pretty uncomfortable truths being unearthed and acknowledged that we're going to have to unveil and sit with and stop the current brainwashed narrative of deflecting with "can't say that. You're racist ".

Many communities do NOT integrate. They live in communities of "their own" and tend to want this (because we allow it in the UK otherwise that old 'ist word comes out ) the blackmumsnetters board and Muslim Mumsnetters (although admittedly, it has a far less hostile vibe ) South Asian Mumsnetters too , are there for the viewing. It's very clear, I'm sorry to say, particularly on the black Mumsnetters board just how obvious it is that certain groups do NOT want to mix, have hostile views and only want to mix with "their own" and there's no pretzling to openly say that either.

We need to start openly discussing these issues and start practicing equality and encouraging cohesion. And I think it starts by having a less tolerant approach to people trying to segregate themselves.

I agree - I’m C of E and I don’t see why I should apologise for the behaviour of paedophiles in the C of E.

What I wonder about is per capita

I notice that when sexual abuse is covered up by police, social workers, councillors and clergy/imams it’s generally women who bring it out into the open. Just an observation.

Of course I don't agree. Why should every single person of a particular religion apologise and take responsibility for a fundamentalist? It should be pretty obvious that not all people belonging to a particular religion are homogeneous.

I’d like to see more rabbis being vocal about the genocide in Gaza and some are. But here we are. I’d like to see more religious leaders in general being vocal about physical, emotional, and sexual abuse being covered up by their own communities.

But not screaming from rooftops. The poster thinks every single Catholic should take responsibility and scream from rooftops about it.

I do agree that all communities have to face the truth about shameful behaviour in their community. Covering things up for the sake of “community cohesion “ will never work long term.
The Pakistani community/ the Catholic or Anglican Church/ the police … etc
Cover ups make things worse.

Likewise, Muslim leaders have made apologies and condemned the abuse but because it’s not reported in the media, you wouldn’t know about it. In any case, as PPs have said, apologies are not going to heal decades of harm.

But I'm not disagreeing with you. I agree.

But similarly, it's said there's a lot of say for example, islamaphobia around in the UK, but there's radio silence when say a terrorist attack unfolds by a 'muslim' perpetrator (which is most of the UKs terrorist attacks) where Muslims are a minority religion here, I would expect the communities to be making it very clear indeed that it's 'not in our name' and making very vocal and public displays of wanting cohesion.

That surely you can see, is also true ?

The Archbishop of Canterbury, Justin Welby. In October 2024 the Makin Report was published, examining the Church of England’s response to the case of John Smyth, a barrister who had used the cover of boys’ camps and his involvement at Winchester College to access children and beat them savagely. It concluded that there had been a marked failure for decades to deal with Smyth.

John Smyth, a barrister who ran Christian summer camps in the 1970s and 1980s, committed physical, psychological and sexual abuse against more than 130 boys and young men.

Welby, who like Smyth, was immersed in the evangelical wing of the Church of England, was named as someone who had worked in the camps in his early twenties, although he has always maintained that he knew nothing of Smyth’s crimes at that time.

Then, in 2013, soon after his appointment as archbishop, Welby was informed of the Smyth case and told that complaints had been reported to the police. But no formal referral had actually been made. Instead, the Makin Report says, Welby and other senior church figures showed “a distinct lack of curiosity” and “a tendency towards minimisation of the matter”.

As the report points out, if Smyth had been reported to the police at that time — and by then he was in South Africa, where he also abused children — then there could have been a full investigation, uncovering his crimes, and later victims would have been saved. Smyth died in 2018 and was never brought to justice.

The Archbishop reluctantly resigned. His position was untenable.

There have been numerous ways that Irish Catholics have tried to own and process the trauma of the discovery of terrible acts of child abuse.
Books, plays, news reports. Films Tv documentaries , etc etc
The Church has made statements/ apologies / commissioned lay people to conduct enquiries reviews/ reports . You wouldn’t know about it because it’s not reported in the media. That doesn’t mean it is not happening.

I think you misunderstand me. You'd have to look at my quote history 🙈

I'm confused by your confusion. I haven't heard Catholics screaming from rooftops about the decades of sexual abuse and other forms of abuse eg the laundries. According to the poster, Catholics should be constantly apologising and speaking out about it.