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Birdsinginginthetrees · 18/06/2025 08:49

cumbriaisbest · 14/06/2025 21:10

Pointless. Pandering to the racists.

Nazir Afsal said it will retraumatise survivors.

Rubbish. It’s probably still going on. In which case there does need to be a review to save any more children having to suffer the same.

SquashedMallow · 18/06/2025 08:48

MiloMinderbinder925 · 17/06/2025 23:57

It's not me who's willfully ignorant. Tarring everyone with the same brush has never been perceived as a mark of intelligence.

Catholics are a minority religion in the UK, yet members of that minority religion bombed the UK for many years. I didn't notice any leaders of that minority group taking responsibility and say "not in our name". I don't remember anyone demanding it either perhaps because they didn't lump every single Catholic together.

Bigots tend not to listen to anyone else but bigots.

Edited

Ps catholics are not a minority group in the UK , they're a 'type' of Christian. The majority UK religion. So your whatabouttery when comparing to Muslims doesn't work.

SquashedMallow · 18/06/2025 08:46

mrshoho · 18/06/2025 07:32

You've done your best to explain but the ignorance whether deliberate or malicious shown from some posters is glaring. Deflecting the spotlight away from Baroness Casey's report into the Pakistani grooming gangs.

Well said. I think that particular poster is only comfortable denigrating majority UK+Irish white groups. But it's a deflection tactic we've accepted as the norm for the past couple of decades, so, I guess it's going to take time to unbrainwash some people and realise you can also speak uncomfortable truths about minority groups too - (and shock horror, most people have got the ability to not instantly hate all brown or black people because of it !)

EasternStandard · 18/06/2025 07:39

mrshoho · 18/06/2025 07:32

You've done your best to explain but the ignorance whether deliberate or malicious shown from some posters is glaring. Deflecting the spotlight away from Baroness Casey's report into the Pakistani grooming gangs.

More deflection I agree. Most are realising what held for with Labour - far right dog whistle plus look over there - is no longer valid.

mrshoho · 18/06/2025 07:32

OpheliaWasntMad · 18/06/2025 01:09

I’m sure this diversion is very boring for everyone else and totally off topic so I’m not engaging any more

You've done your best to explain but the ignorance whether deliberate or malicious shown from some posters is glaring. Deflecting the spotlight away from Baroness Casey's report into the Pakistani grooming gangs.

MiloMinderbinder925 · 18/06/2025 01:18

OpheliaWasntMad · 18/06/2025 01:15

Do some research before you wade in on topics you don’t know much about

It's not me who doesn't understand very easily verifiable facts.

OpheliaWasntMad · 18/06/2025 01:16

Fetaface · 18/06/2025 01:12

What a way to create a united ireland by terrorising people! Worked well didn't it?

🙄

OpheliaWasntMad · 18/06/2025 01:15

MiloMinderbinder925 · 18/06/2025 01:13

I haven't said that the IRA is driven by religion. I said the IRA was made up of Catholics and yes they were involved in a terrorist campaign.

Do some research before you wade in on topics you don’t know much about

MiloMinderbinder925 · 18/06/2025 01:13

OpheliaWasntMad · 18/06/2025 01:09

The religion was not “involved” in a terrorist campaign. The terrorist campaign was about creating a United Ireland. Sinn Fein is the political wing of the nationalist movement and is more affiliated with left wing / Marxist politics than anything to do with Catholic teaching .

I haven't said that the IRA is driven by religion. I said the IRA was made up of Catholics and yes they were involved in a terrorist campaign.

Fetaface · 18/06/2025 01:12

OpheliaWasntMad · 18/06/2025 01:09

The religion was not “involved” in a terrorist campaign. The terrorist campaign was about creating a United Ireland. Sinn Fein is the political wing of the nationalist movement and is more affiliated with left wing / Marxist politics than anything to do with Catholic teaching .

What a way to create a united ireland by terrorising people! Worked well didn't it?

OpheliaWasntMad · 18/06/2025 01:09

I’m sure this diversion is very boring for everyone else and totally off topic so I’m not engaging any more

OpheliaWasntMad · 18/06/2025 01:09

MiloMinderbinder925 · 18/06/2025 00:56

No. I was making a point about religion, therefore I mentioned the religion involved in a terrorist campaign.

The religion was not “involved” in a terrorist campaign. The terrorist campaign was about creating a United Ireland. Sinn Fein is the political wing of the nationalist movement and is more affiliated with left wing / Marxist politics than anything to do with Catholic teaching .

MiloMinderbinder925 · 18/06/2025 00:56

OpheliaWasntMad · 18/06/2025 00:52

You didn’t refer to the IRA - I mentioned them. You just referred to “Catholics”

You said “Catholics are a minority religion in the UK, yet members of that minority religion bombed the UK for many years.”
Can you really not see how silly that statement is .

No. I was making a point about religion, therefore I mentioned the religion involved in a terrorist campaign.

OpheliaWasntMad · 18/06/2025 00:52

MiloMinderbinder925 · 18/06/2025 00:48

Why is it stupid? The IRA are made up of Catholics who committed acts of terrorism. I'm perfectly aware that Catholics aren't all one nationality and have no idea what point you're trying to make.

I'm making a point about members of a religion not being responsible or having to apologise for every atrocity committed by a member of that religion.

You didn’t refer to the IRA - I mentioned them. You just referred to “Catholics”

You said “Catholics are a minority religion in the UK, yet members of that minority religion bombed the UK for many years.”
Can you really not see how silly that statement is .

Fetaface · 18/06/2025 00:50

Dkdaacscfa · 18/06/2025 00:46

Statistically I'm curious if one race commits this crime more

We'd have to know all the victims but those are hidden largely because of how society treats victims and racism so we'll never know.

MiloMinderbinder925 · 18/06/2025 00:48

OpheliaWasntMad · 18/06/2025 00:42

You said “ Catholics are a minority religion in the UK, yet members of that minority religion bombed the UK for many years.”

It’s a stupid thing to say. Many British , Asians, Polish etc are Catholic … they weren’t all bombing the UK.

The IRA are a nationalist terrorist group . Not a Catholic organisation.

Why is it stupid? The IRA are made up of Catholics who committed acts of terrorism. I'm perfectly aware that Catholics aren't all one nationality and have no idea what point you're trying to make.

I'm making a point about members of a religion not being responsible or having to apologise for every atrocity committed by a member of that religion.

OpheliaWasntMad · 18/06/2025 00:47

ZoeCM · 18/06/2025 00:35

Same here. The Catholic Church's reaction to their child abuse scandals are disgraceful.

I don’t know any Catholics who would disagree. It’s been a shameful and traumatic time . The more women are involved in church life the better in my opinion.

Dkdaacscfa · 18/06/2025 00:46

Fetaface · 18/06/2025 00:44

Because one group of rapists is worse than another group of rapists? Is there a scale of which is worse and what makes one rapist more vile than another rapist?

Statistically I'm curious if one race commits this crime more

Fetaface · 18/06/2025 00:44

Dkdaacscfa · 18/06/2025 00:02

Because per capita shows if one group of men are more vile than another group

Because one group of rapists is worse than another group of rapists? Is there a scale of which is worse and what makes one rapist more vile than another rapist?

OpheliaWasntMad · 18/06/2025 00:42

You said “ Catholics are a minority religion in the UK, yet members of that minority religion bombed the UK for many years.”

It’s a stupid thing to say. Many British , Asians, Polish etc are Catholic … they weren’t all bombing the UK.

The IRA are a nationalist terrorist group . Not a Catholic organisation.

ZoeCM · 18/06/2025 00:35

SquashedMallow · 17/06/2025 23:06

No I'm in agreement with that poster. Catholic church absolutely should have come out in force to say "not in our name" Instead of twirling about with the latest pope acting like nothing has happened. I assume that poster thought (for some genuinely odd reason ) that I thought only Muslim or black/brown people should be owning and condemning their shit. I entirely agree with the Catholic church comment.

Same here. The Catholic Church's reaction to their child abuse scandals are disgraceful.

MiloMinderbinder925 · 18/06/2025 00:33

OpheliaWasntMad · 18/06/2025 00:28

No - they are a Nationalist organisation made up primarily of Catholics. Their goals and motivation have absolutely nothing to do with religion . Their goal was a United Ireland - their goal was not to further the cause of Catholicism. They are made up primarily of Catholics because ….
Tbh I can’t be bothered to explain the history going back to the Ulster Plantation
You clearly don’t understand the politics of the region.

The IRA are made up of Catholics. I didn't say they were driven by religion.

OpheliaWasntMad · 18/06/2025 00:28

MiloMinderbinder925 · 18/06/2025 00:21

The IRA are a Catholic organisation.

No - they are a Nationalist organisation made up primarily of Catholics. Their goals and motivation have absolutely nothing to do with religion . Their goal was a United Ireland - their goal was not to further the cause of Catholicism. They are made up primarily of Catholics because ….
Tbh I can’t be bothered to explain the history going back to the Ulster Plantation
You clearly don’t understand the politics of the region.

MiloMinderbinder925 · 18/06/2025 00:24

SquashedMallow · 18/06/2025 00:19

Yes you're right. You must have blinked when I did that.

"Bigot" was your insult of choice as a reminder. But that's what they usually say isn't it when things aren't going their way...

Luckily others on this thread can read both mine and your replies. I'll leave it there.

If you don't want extreme right wing bigots in taking over, you're going the wrong way about.

I was responding to this but it obviously touched a nerve.

Well, obviously I didn't blink because you haven't presented a balanced view.

MiloMinderbinder925 · 18/06/2025 00:21

OpheliaWasntMad · 18/06/2025 00:18

“Catholics are a minority religion in the UK, yet members of that minority religion bombed the UK for many years.”
This is factually incorrect and a ridiculous thing to say.
Catholics did not bomb the UK.

The IRA bombed the UK.

The IRA are a terrorist group - not a religion. They were not conducting their terror campaign in the name of religion.
Your comments are starting to sound very anti Catholic.

The IRA are a Catholic organisation.