There will be a national enquiry into the grooming gangs

Misogyny as I have already stated and one which you ignored countless times when I discussed it being the underlying feature of all cultures and religion. The same reason why they were raping their own kids and wives at the same time.

Hatred of females. Simple.

Anything else you would like to talk about on this or are you going to lie some more about me?

Now can you answer why you have ignored me talking about it because you didn't like me agreeing?

Also can you answer why you think I am Pakistani?

It's a tricky one because I don't think the cover up was because people were afraid of being called racist actually, I think it's because there are racist thugs in this country who are constantly looking for an excuse to start trouble and be violent.

I want those responsible to be held to account, and I want the cultural context of that to be examined and steps taken to deal with that so it doesn't happen again, whether that's more education programmes, better vetting of new arrivals, more police officers/ social workers within those communities to monitor and report on risk factors or something else.

I do not want marauding bands of gammons setting fire to mosques, attacking people who look vaguely brown and looting shops!

Thanks .
So what was your answer to this question ?
“ why are the Pakistani ( more specifically Mipuri ) communities so highly represented in the grooming gangs compared to other Asian groups?

I'm more than happy to talk about it. I've mentioned it a few times and when I do you go quiet because it wasn't what you wanted to hear that I agree with you but we'll not talk about that will we?

Nope I am not - 2nd time I have been accused of being Pakistani. The go to response about anyone who wants to help Pakistani victims.

It's a tricky one because I don't think the cover up was because people were afraid of being called racist actually, I think it's because there are racist thugs in this country who are constantly looking for an excuse to start trouble and be violent.

I want those responsible to be held to account, and I want the cultural context of that to be examined and steps taken to deal with that so it doesn't happen again, whether that's more education programmes, better vetting of new arrivals, more police officers/ social workers within those communities to monitor and report on risk factors or something else.

I do not want marauding bands of gammons setting fire to mosques, attacking people who look vaguely brown and looting shops!

So my question for @Fetaface is “why are the Pakistani ( more specifically Mipuri ) communities so highly represented in the grooming gangs compared to other Asian groups?
Why don’t you want to talk about that and why are you constantly on this thread deflecting from that issue?
Are you connected with the Pakistani Mipuri community ?

Are you in Ireland?

I was already aware of this, MrsSunshine2b, and very much agree with you that it's important to name these issues for what they are rather than risk damning people who are largely uninvolved

Trouble is, naming Pakistanis in areas where offending really is disproportionate to their numbers would cause a great deal of angst, so we'd be straight back where we started with the mindsets which put community sensitivies about all else

Well I’m Catholic and I’m horrified. We do talk about it - everyone I know is completely sickened. If you speak to Irish Catholics you would know how very strongly they feel about these atrocities. The abusers were clergy and the abuse was covered up by clergy . Not ordinary Irish Catholics. Ordinary Irish Catholic families were victims.
It will take generations for the wounds to properly heal .

I agree. It's because nobody want to start looking at the uncomfortable bits : like why are certain communities segregating themselves ? What's going on that is making them feel it is ok to not mix with white British people ? (Majority) And looking at why it doesn't get talked about. I should imagine cries of "racist!" "White tears/white fragility" is what stops a lot of it.... You literally are cornered from starting conversations.

I think the point *MiloMinderbinder9258 *made is like why are white communities segregating themselves? What's going on that is making them feel it is ok to not mix with the muslim population? (Majority) And looking at why it doesn't get talked about.

I went down a rabbit hole about this last night.

It seems like most of Pakistani immigrants to the UK, and most of the grooming gangs, weren't just Pakistani but from a region called the Mirpur valley, which is a fascinating history and has been largely isolated from the rest of Pakistan due to it's remote location for centuries.

I read a couple of articles about the honour-based approach to sexual conduct and the clan structures in the area and how this culture could have contributed to the abuse.

You might be aware already but it was all new to me and very interesting.

It also highlighted the problems with calling the gangs "Asian", as there is no increased risk associated with large Indian or Bangladeshi populations in an area. It's not the Asian diaspora, it's Pakistan, and a very small region of Pakistan at that.

Well... That makes it ok then

Well... That makes it ok then

I went down a rabbit hole about this last night.

It seems like most of Pakistani immigrants to the UK, and most of the grooming gangs, weren't just Pakistani but from a region called the Mirpur valley, which is a fascinating history and has been largely isolated from the rest of Pakistan due to it's remote location for centuries.

I read a couple of articles about the honour-based approach to sexual conduct and the clan structures in the area and how this culture could have contributed to the abuse.

You might be aware already but it was all new to me and very interesting.

It also highlighted the problems with calling the gangs "Asian", as there is no increased risk associated with large Indian or Bangladeshi populations in an area. It's not the Asian diaspora, it's Pakistan, and a very small region of Pakistan at that.

I hope the inquiry goes in to this level of detail. Truth is more important than narratives, even if that narrative is pushed by individuals we call far right.

A friend of my mother’s was a young nurse in A&E at St Mary’s Paddington in the 50s which was then a poor WC area.

Victims of incestuous/family sexual abuse were commonplace and there was a gynae reg almost permanently placed in A&E. On raising this as a shocked young nurse she was told “don’t be silly that is just what these [WC] people do, patch them up and send them on their way”. Wife beating, knifing etc all treated in the same way.

She also did shifts for extra money with one of the gynae consultants at his private Harley Street clinic. This time the victims were girls from upper MC/titled families. The response this time was “don’t be ridiculous her father is a judge/lord knobface/general/a colleague of the consultant”.

Nothing new about victims being ignored.

In places like Saudi, immigrants live in gated communities, completely segregated from locals. You often hear them waxing lyrically about how wonderful it all is and how they can't believe the silly reports about lack of human rights.

I've lived in a few countries and it's very typical for immigrants to live near each other.

You find it hard to understand why a migrant to a different majority culture would look to live (a) near to the workplace (b) where they might find a few familiar faces and reminders of home? In exactly the same way that British migrants (oops sorry “ex pats”) do when they work or live in other countries?

Absolutely agree with that about white families protecting abusers. We have this idea in our society that most people who report are liars, an idea created by abusers to enable them to get away with more abuse and one which most people in society believe. When someone gets away with their crime they aren't going to admit they got away with it. They of course say that person confessed to lying and that is why they are walking free. And given most rapists walk free that is a whole lot of rapists saying they were falsely accused to explain away why they were not prosecuted. We also have an issue with the justice system that actively blocks rape in the system to fudge data. We also have an issue with misogyny and victim blaming which again supports these abusers and causes reluctance to report. All this contributes to ignoring victims and backing abusers. So I agree with every point you make. This is something that we as a society need to change.

I agree. It's because nobody want to start looking at the uncomfortable bits : like why are certain communities segregating themselves ? What's going on that is making them feel it is ok to not mix with white British people ? (Majority) And looking at why it doesn't get talked about. I should imagine cries of "racist!" "White tears/white fragility" is what stops a lot of it.... You literally are cornered from starting conversations.

I agree. It's because nobody want to start looking at the uncomfortable bits : like why are certain communities segregating themselves ? What's going on that is making them feel it is ok to not mix with white British people ? (Majority) And looking at why it doesn't get talked about. I should imagine cries of "racist!" "White tears/white fragility" is what stops a lot of it.... You literally are cornered from starting conversations.

This is very true; I’m an SA survivor, of a white ‘paedophile ring’, of which my F was a member, as is my DSis. That was in the 70s and early 80s. So I’m in agreement that such ‘rings’ function the same as grooming gangs. Although I suspect that they’re far more secretive about what they’re doing. That might go some way to explain why the stats suggest that CSA is more prevalent per capita in the Pakistani community.

I also disagree with the suggestion that white families don’t protect abusers. They certainly do! Children are accused of lying/asking for it in much the same way. They’re also threatened into silence. So very few children report the abuse.

I went down a rabbit hole about this last night.

It seems like most of Pakistani immigrants to the UK, and most of the grooming gangs, weren't just Pakistani but from a region called the Mirpur valley, which is a fascinating history and has been largely isolated from the rest of Pakistan due to it's remote location for centuries.

I read a couple of articles about the honour-based approach to sexual conduct and the clan structures in the area and how this culture could have contributed to the abuse.

You might be aware already but it was all new to me and very interesting.

It also highlighted the problems with calling the gangs "Asian", as there is no increased risk associated with large Indian or Bangladeshi populations in an area. It's not the Asian diaspora, it's Pakistan, and a very small region of Pakistan at that.