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MrsSunshine2b · 15/06/2025 21:56

Fetaface · 15/06/2025 21:50

Always one who wants all victims to be supported including those who feel excluded and ignored and wants all perpetrators held to account no matter what.

I'll be that one, shame it isn't more eh?!

Always one narcissist derailing the discussion by making it all about their own issues.

Fetaface · 15/06/2025 21:50

Cornishpotato · 15/06/2025 21:47

There's always one isn't there.

Always one who wants all victims to be supported including those who feel excluded and ignored and wants all perpetrators held to account no matter what.

I'll be that one, shame it isn't more eh?!

MrsSunshine2b · 15/06/2025 21:48

Fetaface · 15/06/2025 20:49

Nope I am white British but have a communication disability so by all means mock away.

You mean because I am calling men in my own community that you cannot believe a white person would do that and therefore I must be pakistani to focus on ensuring that ALL the rapists are held to account.

The white British sex offenders are largely let go because the CPS admit they do this to fudge data but hey that is derailling so cannot talk about that but you might want to look into it, most sex offenders who are white are not held to account. You are very much mistaken.

Nope the thread is about grooming gangs not just one kind or else you are supporting the others who you choose to ignore because you do not want to accept that it is men within your community and likely men you know.

So you've not seen the comments on school girls and their skirts then have you? Girls at 4 years old get told to cover up by putting shorts on under their skirts to control male behaviour.

Misogyny is socially acceptable and celebrated.

You say it is not helpful to victims yet you want to ignore most victims because they were victims of white rapists and that isn't what you want to hear about because that is ok, right?

I didn't mock you. I asked a question.

I agree that rape and other sexual offences are underreported, under-prosecuted and victim blaming is rife.

However, that's not what this thread is about. It's about the grooming gangs in Rotherham, Rochdale, Bradford, Manchester and several other towns.

They were nearly entirely composed of British Pakistani men.

It's clear that the patterns of offending are different in different cultures and right now we're talking about one particular type of sexual offending which is particularly prominent in one specific ethnicity. Different types of offending need different approaches. This particular type was dealt with especially badly.

If you would like to start a thread about how we are going to tackle types of sexual offences committed mostly by white British men, please do so, but instead you've brought it to this thread and derailed the discussion.

Cornishpotato · 15/06/2025 21:47

There's always one isn't there.

Fetaface · 15/06/2025 21:35

OpheliaWasntMad · 15/06/2025 21:28

“ Sadly when I said this I was told it was fine that VAWG exists in the UK because we do not have to cover our faces and can go to school so we should be happy with our lot.”

This is a complete misrepresentation of the discussion. At no point did anyone say it was” fine that VAWG exists in the UK because we do not have to cover our faces”
You said misogyny exists everywhere ( which is true) I pointed out that it is worse in some societies as in those societies misogyny is embedded in the law and misogynistic behaviour is protected by the law .

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It was said that it wasn't a problem in the UK but it was elsewhere and examples of covering faces and lack of education being the examples given.

I was told I was wrong to say that misogyny is a problem and part of UK culture. It is.

The fact we have feminist movement shows it is needed because.....of the issues stemming from misogyny and its acceptance in society.

EasternStandard · 15/06/2025 21:33

MiloMinderbinder925 · 15/06/2025 20:40

I don't believe it was central, I believe misogyny was central and fear of racial tension was used as a convenient excuse. The fear of racial tension or being seen as racist has already been thoroughly explored and is well known. It was brought up in both reports and has had extensive coverage in the media.

I'm not exactly sure what people expect another investigation to find regarding this.

It’s been asked for by Starmer after refusing so I guess we’ll find out.

Fetaface · 15/06/2025 21:32

Barr77 · 15/06/2025 21:24

Grooming and abuse happen across all religions, ethnicities, communities, and classes — it is endemic in our society.

But in the grooming scandals that took place in towns like Rotherham, Telford, and Rochdale, multiple investigations — including the Jay Report and the Casey Review — found that the majority of perpetrators were from the British Pakistani community.

This isn’t about blaming whole communities — it’s about being honest about why institutions failed. Survivors have said again and again that what they want is not just justice in court, but real accountability from the authorities who ignored or dismissed them,

Absolutely it does and is endemic. The data shows that the majority were from white communities which stands to reason as sex offenders are mainly white British in the UK.

No one is blaming a whole community. I agree it is about being honest which is why I want all perpetrators being held to account and all victims supported but sadly we have people saying things like muslim girls were not affected when there are reports from muslim support groups saying they feel unheard and ignored because they were.

I would love for honesty and people to talk about all perpetrators and all victims. Sadly we will never get accountability when the law says the child is to blame legally. Unless that changes things will not get better for these girls.

miraxxx · 15/06/2025 21:32

This survivor thinks up to half a million girls are affected.

OpheliaWasntMad · 15/06/2025 21:28

Fetaface · 15/06/2025 21:05

We have a VAWAG crisis in the UK and women are being injured and killed because of misogyny and incompetence. What happened with the grooming gangs is a reflection of a much bigger, nationwide problem which was investigated in the 7 year Jay report. It found that child sexual abuse was an "epidemic".

This with bells on! Agree completely with this. Sadly when I said this I was told it was fine that VAWG exists in the UK because we do not have to cover our faces and can go to school so we should be happy with our lot.

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“ Sadly when I said this I was told it was fine that VAWG exists in the UK because we do not have to cover our faces and can go to school so we should be happy with our lot.”

This is a complete misrepresentation of the discussion. At no point did anyone say it was” fine that VAWG exists in the UK because we do not have to cover our faces”
You said misogyny exists everywhere ( which is true) I pointed out that it is worse in some societies as in those societies misogyny is embedded in the law and misogynistic behaviour is protected by the law .

Barr77 · 15/06/2025 21:24

Fetaface · 15/06/2025 20:36

What caused them to fail to respond to white and black grooming gangs?

Grooming and abuse happen across all religions, ethnicities, communities, and classes — it is endemic in our society.

But in the grooming scandals that took place in towns like Rotherham, Telford, and Rochdale, multiple investigations — including the Jay Report and the Casey Review — found that the majority of perpetrators were from the British Pakistani community.

This isn’t about blaming whole communities — it’s about being honest about why institutions failed. Survivors have said again and again that what they want is not just justice in court, but real accountability from the authorities who ignored or dismissed them,

Fetaface · 15/06/2025 21:15

fortheumpteenthtime · 15/06/2025 20:58

First of all, in a white country it's no surprise that the majority of grooming gangs are white. Do you know what the term "per capita" means? If so, you would understand that the issue is that Pakistani grooming gangs are massively overrepresented in grooming gang statistics in comparison to their numbers.

There are also no white grooming gangs who specifically target Pakistani girls, whereas these gangs were specifically targetting mostly vulnerable working-class white girls and some Hindu/Sikh girls (basically any non-Muslim) girls, so there seems to be a racist element to their actions (if you read the transcripts and evidence provided by some of the girls, there were multiple references to them being called "white" slags/whores/prostitutes etc.).

We should be addressing how we can protect vulnerable girls from grooming gangs of any ethnicity but sweeping the racial element under the table isn't going to help the actual victims of these gangs - the girls, and they must come first, however uncomfortable and damaging for Labour that may be.

They also targeted muslim girls.

Fetaface · 15/06/2025 21:12

miraxxx · 15/06/2025 21:09

Some people look away from child rape because they want to protect their families from breaking up, others want to protect institutions that have great meaning to them, eg the church, yet others want to protect their ideology, their ideas of anti-racism and multiculturalism. All forget to centre the victims and the truth, no matter how unpalatable. The thing is that there are now victims/survivors who are now speaking up for themselves and I suggest we should listen to them.

Absolutely. It makes them uncomfortable usually because they feel they are looking for so called 'monsters' assuming these would be easy to spot in society and then when told they are amongst us then they do not want to know who it is. knowing these are family members etc.

They would rather turn a blind eye than actively help victims.

Icanthinkformyselfthanks · 15/06/2025 21:11

cumbriaisbest · 14/06/2025 21:10

Pointless. Pandering to the racists.

Nazir Afsal said it will retraumatise survivors.

@cumbriaisbest , please will you explain how this is ‘pandering to racists’?

miraxxx · 15/06/2025 21:09

derxa · 15/06/2025 20:56

Totally. I don’t get it.

Some people look away from child rape because they want to protect their families from breaking up, others want to protect institutions that have great meaning to them, eg the church, yet others want to protect their ideology, their ideas of anti-racism and multiculturalism. All forget to centre the victims and the truth, no matter how unpalatable. The thing is that there are now victims/survivors who are now speaking up for themselves and I suggest we should listen to them.

Fetaface · 15/06/2025 21:05

We have a VAWAG crisis in the UK and women are being injured and killed because of misogyny and incompetence. What happened with the grooming gangs is a reflection of a much bigger, nationwide problem which was investigated in the 7 year Jay report. It found that child sexual abuse was an "epidemic".

This with bells on! Agree completely with this. Sadly when I said this I was told it was fine that VAWG exists in the UK because we do not have to cover our faces and can go to school so we should be happy with our lot.

Fetaface · 15/06/2025 21:04

miraxxx · 15/06/2025 20:56

It is a deliberate tactic to stop the discussion.

Nope it is to ensure discussion of ALL rapists which you claim to want but when someone mentions it you cry rape supporter and mental illness.

MiloMinderbinder925 · 15/06/2025 21:03

OpheliaWasntMad · 15/06/2025 20:46

You might be correct. I just want it all investigated. I just want an objective and transparent report that will tell the truth about how and why these girls were failed so terribly.
If race is an element I don’t want it covered up .
I want the whole thing out in the open .

Race was an element, that's already been explored and is common knowledge. The police didn't act partly because of racial tension. This has been known for some time and explored in several investigations.

These were vulnerable girls, predominantly from chaotic backgrounds who were let down by every agency meant to safeguard them. This has been happening for decades and is caused by people failing to safeguard. I'm sure a law was recommended making it illegal not to report sexual abuse.

However, what's the point in reporting if the police aren't going to act? There are many accounts of the police dismissing reports from staff as well as the girls. There's one account from a girl who was found drunk with several men and she was arrested. No professional curiosity about why she was with these men or joining up the dots.

We have a VAWAG crisis in the UK and women are being injured and killed because of misogyny and incompetence. What happened with the grooming gangs is a reflection of a much bigger, nationwide problem which was investigated in the 7 year Jay report. It found that child sexual abuse was an "epidemic".

Fetaface · 15/06/2025 21:03

OpheliaWasntMad · 15/06/2025 21:00

Ive never called you mental feta face . I think you have misrepresented posters repeatedly and you have misinterpreted posts .
I disagree with you and find you overly aggressive but maybe you have good reasons for your over sensitivity

Wrong person, my bad!

I am not aggressive. I am direct and blunt. I am pissed at being called mental for wanting ALL rapists held to account. I am pissed at being told that wanting ALL rapists held to account is supporting rapists. I am pissed at being told that wanting to support ALL victims is racist and helping rapists.

Fetaface · 15/06/2025 21:01

miraxxx · 15/06/2025 20:55

On other threads, it has not discussed and not ignored because women who have direct experience of these events have recounted what they saw. But you are too busy protecting rapists based on SKIN colour - the number of times you have been screaming about white men this and that - and have not listened. You are very much part of the problem.

Protecting them? I am calling them out and being labelled mental by you for doing so!

You are the one protecting them by calling me mental for speaking about ALL rapists and saying I shouldn't talk about white rapists?

I am not 'screaming' at all. I want them to be held to account and in me saying I want them to be held to account along with the brown perpetrators you are calling me a rape supporter?

So what part of holding ALL rapists to account no matter their skin colour makes it a problem and why do you call people mental who want ALL held to account?

OpheliaWasntMad · 15/06/2025 21:00

Fetaface · 15/06/2025 20:56

You said I was wrong to say that earlier and called me mental for saying ALL victims of ALL perpetrators!

Ive never called you mental feta face . I think you have misrepresented posters repeatedly and you have misinterpreted posts .
I disagree with you and find you overly aggressive but maybe you have good reasons for your over sensitivity

fortheumpteenthtime · 15/06/2025 20:58

saraclara · 15/06/2025 17:11

Again, the vast majority of grooming gangs are white. But absolutely no-one is interested in addressing that, and why those gangs exist.

First of all, in a white country it's no surprise that the majority of grooming gangs are white. Do you know what the term "per capita" means? If so, you would understand that the issue is that Pakistani grooming gangs are massively overrepresented in grooming gang statistics in comparison to their numbers.

There are also no white grooming gangs who specifically target Pakistani girls, whereas these gangs were specifically targetting mostly vulnerable working-class white girls and some Hindu/Sikh girls (basically any non-Muslim) girls, so there seems to be a racist element to their actions (if you read the transcripts and evidence provided by some of the girls, there were multiple references to them being called "white" slags/whores/prostitutes etc.).

We should be addressing how we can protect vulnerable girls from grooming gangs of any ethnicity but sweeping the racial element under the table isn't going to help the actual victims of these gangs - the girls, and they must come first, however uncomfortable and damaging for Labour that may be.

derxa · 15/06/2025 20:56

miraxxx · 15/06/2025 20:56

It is a deliberate tactic to stop the discussion.

Totally. I don’t get it.

Fetaface · 15/06/2025 20:56

OpheliaWasntMad · 15/06/2025 20:54

What on earth are you talking about?
Surely the one thing we all agree on is that all girls should be protected from sexual abuse ?
Stop making ludicrous accusations of racism left, right and centre

You said I was wrong to say that earlier and called me mental for saying ALL victims of ALL perpetrators!

miraxxx · 15/06/2025 20:56

OpheliaWasntMad · 15/06/2025 20:54

What on earth are you talking about?
Surely the one thing we all agree on is that all girls should be protected from sexual abuse ?
Stop making ludicrous accusations of racism left, right and centre

It is a deliberate tactic to stop the discussion.

miraxxx · 15/06/2025 20:55

Fetaface · 15/06/2025 20:52

Exactly and on here people want to ignore that as it was ignored by society because they aren't the 'right colour victims'.

On other threads, it has not discussed and not ignored because women who have direct experience of these events have recounted what they saw. But you are too busy protecting rapists based on SKIN colour - the number of times you have been screaming about white men this and that - and have not listened. You are very much part of the problem.