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MiloMinderbinder925 · 16/06/2025 11:13

Whosenameisthis · 16/06/2025 11:08

Even if it causes further harm and trauma to the victim?

The reason prolific offenders have abused with impunity is because of people turning a blind eye and covering it up. Reporting could mean that further victims are saved and we don't have decades of abuse.

ThePhantomoftheEcobubbleOpera · 16/06/2025 11:13

Whosenameisthis · 16/06/2025 11:08

Even if it causes further harm and trauma to the victim?

They're unlikely to demand testimony from victims, whose accounts of rape and torture are plentiful and forthcoming. It's the institutions and services who limited their exposure to criticism through their silence that will be dragged into the light.

Whosenameisthis · 16/06/2025 11:08

MiloMinderbinder925 · 16/06/2025 10:32

I'm 100% behind mandatory reporting and being prosecuted for covering up abuse.

Even if it causes further harm and trauma to the victim?

ThePhantomoftheEcobubbleOpera · 16/06/2025 11:04

Casey's audit will be published this afternoon. It was this report that supposedly changed Starmer's mind about the necessity of an inquiry. It marks out the scale and nature of the grooming gangs and establishes an explicit link with Pakistani men. So, we'll get more information later today.

MiloMinderbinder925 · 16/06/2025 10:56

Fetaface · 16/06/2025 10:54

Absolutely you could however they felt it was possible to remove the child not the perpetrator despite knowing the perpetrator. So if they can remove one human from a place surely they can do the same to another.

When the law says the victim is to blame then they will continue to lean on that to justify why they do blame the victim. That needs to change to stop blaming the victim. It is sick that even today the definition puts the blame on the victim.

I don't understand what you mean. It's illegal to sexually abuse a child or have sex with a child under the age of consent. What definition?

Fetaface · 16/06/2025 10:54

MiloMinderbinder925 · 16/06/2025 10:45

That's not possible however you could prosecute perpetrators instead of creating a culture of impunity and blaming victims.

Absolutely you could however they felt it was possible to remove the child not the perpetrator despite knowing the perpetrator. So if they can remove one human from a place surely they can do the same to another.

When the law says the victim is to blame then they will continue to lean on that to justify why they do blame the victim. That needs to change to stop blaming the victim. It is sick that even today the definition puts the blame on the victim.

EasternStandard · 16/06/2025 10:50

JudgeJ · 16/06/2025 10:48

It's about 30 years too late, many people raised concerns, in schools in my personal experience, but were castigated because it would upset the 'community' to appear to criticise the practice and keeping the 'community' happy was deemed more important.

So many used language and attacks to keep it suppressed. The latest from Labour over last ten months, ‘far right, dog whistle’ etc

JudgeJ · 16/06/2025 10:48

lnks · 14/06/2025 19:26

It’s a long time coming

It's about 30 years too late, many people raised concerns, in schools in my personal experience, but were castigated because it would upset the 'community' to appear to criticise the practice and keeping the 'community' happy was deemed more important.

MiloMinderbinder925 · 16/06/2025 10:45

Fetaface · 16/06/2025 10:34

There is only one thing that makes children vulnerable. That is being in contact with or in the vicinity to a perpetrator. And then all children are all vulnerable.
Remove the perpetrator and no children are vulnerable.

That's not possible however you could prosecute perpetrators instead of creating a culture of impunity and blaming victims.

ThePhantomoftheEcobubbleOpera · 16/06/2025 10:44

MiloMinderbinder925 · 16/06/2025 10:42

What more do you expect to be revealed? There have consistently been reports and investigations for years. Do you expect names to be revealed of police and social workers who failed to protect these children?

I'm not here to say what I expect to be revealed. I expect them to do a proper fucking job of it and not a succession of papering up the cracks with underfunded, under supported, limited bollocks to show that they did "something".

MiloMinderbinder925 · 16/06/2025 10:42

ThePhantomoftheEcobubbleOpera · 16/06/2025 10:33

Yes, it is startling that a national inquiry with statutory powers has only been recommended now, don't you think? How utterly shameful after the decades of abuse, rape and violence up and down the entire land by these filthsome grooming gangs who were aided and abetted by utter cowards, and it is only now we can see what is to be revealed by compelled documentation and witnesses.

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What more do you expect to be revealed? There have consistently been reports and investigations for years. Do you expect names to be revealed of police and social workers who failed to protect these children?

MiloMinderbinder925 · 16/06/2025 10:39

Puzzledandpissedoff · 16/06/2025 09:40

The piece you asked for is here, @MiloMinderbinder925 - hope the archive link works: https://archive.md/ss4IS

Important to remember there are caveats even with this though, related to the usual mares nest of data gathering

Thanks. Yet again it seems to be flawed which is very frustrating:

Police chiefs stressed the breakdown was “limited” and had to be treated with caution as it only covered about a third of suspects because their ethnic background could only be recorded once they had been interviewed by police.

They said there was more research needed to understand why there was an apparent disproportionate number of Pakistanis linked to child grooming offences.

Fetaface · 16/06/2025 10:34

MiloMinderbinder925 · 16/06/2025 09:37

I belive she looked at several areas and came up with recommendations in order to combat all CSA. For example mandatory reporting. Making it a criminal offence not to report child abuse or to cover up abuse. To produce better data and create a single core set of figures covering the age, sex and ethnicity of victims and perpetrators, the places in which abuse happens, and the factors that make children vulnerable. And setting up a new child protection authority including a cabinet minister for children amongst others.

There is only one thing that makes children vulnerable. That is being in contact with or in the vicinity to a perpetrator. And then all children are all vulnerable.
Remove the perpetrator and no children are vulnerable.

ThePhantomoftheEcobubbleOpera · 16/06/2025 10:33

Yes, it is startling that a national inquiry with statutory powers has only been recommended now, don't you think? How utterly shameful after the decades of abuse, rape and violence up and down the entire land by these filthsome grooming gangs who were aided and abetted by utter cowards, and it is only now we can see what is to be revealed by compelled documentation and witnesses.

MiloMinderbinder925 · 16/06/2025 10:32

Whosenameisthis · 16/06/2025 10:07

I am not sure about mandatory reporting.

a lot of advice now centres the victim. Whether they want to report. It’s about giving them back control and power of what happens, as well as respecting their privacy and whether they want to go through a court case and re live it all.

i recently found out about a historic csa case. Had I known at the time I would absolutely have reported it. Turns out everyone in the family knew, and responded from blind eye to enabling it. They were more worried about the consequences for the abuser than the victim.

i’m appalled. Absolutely horrified and no longer speak to any of them. Again I would report it, but the victim is now an adult and has expressly said she does not want to report it, it’s history and she wants to move on. The abuser is dead so no risk to others.

so I respect the victim’s choice. It’s her life and while I think she should report it still I agree it’s her decision and she needs to find a way to heal.

I'm 100% behind mandatory reporting and being prosecuted for covering up abuse.

Fetaface · 16/06/2025 10:32

Puzzledandpissedoff · 16/06/2025 09:40

The piece you asked for is here, @MiloMinderbinder925 - hope the archive link works: https://archive.md/ss4IS

Important to remember there are caveats even with this though, related to the usual mares nest of data gathering

That was the data I read which was including all child sex abuse not just grooming and was changed to 13.7 because they removed certain groups like church and sports groups. It either needs to include all or just focus on grooming gangs which this isn't.

MiloMinderbinder925 · 16/06/2025 10:30

ThePhantomoftheEcobubbleOpera · 16/06/2025 10:10

Sorry, too late to edit...the report covered 3000 pages, and yet just a handful dedicated to the sexual violence of the grooming gangs.

Edited

These are the reports and investigations so far:

The Jay report on CSA in Rotherham.

Report into CSA In Oxfordshire.

Report on CSA in Manchester.

Report on Oldham.

Inquiry into CSA in Telford

Independent Inquiry into Child Sexual Abuse (IICSA).

Which looked at 'organised networks' and featured 6 study areas: Bristol, Durham, St Helens, Swansea, Tower Hamlets and Warwickshire. It made 20 recommendations to tackle CSA.

Report into Rochdale.

Casey report and now a national inquiry.

ohdelay · 16/06/2025 10:17

This is needed to uncover the rapists support network in place at the time (probably all still happily in their jobs). Police officers, council members, social workers all need routing out and exposing. It's great they get the rapists but everyone who enabled them needs exposing too. If you .don't remove the roots it will happen again

OpheliaWasntMad · 16/06/2025 10:17

I would rather trust survivors and Maggie Oliver on this than any politician ( or any random poster on Mumsnet)

OpheliaWasntMad · 16/06/2025 10:13

ThePhantomoftheEcobubbleOpera · 16/06/2025 10:02

Survivors said the report was too cautious. Sarah Champion said it swept the ethnic dimension under the carpet. Andrew Norfolk said it shied away from uncomfortable truths. You can see what Maggie Oliver has to say about it on her own website
https://www.themaggieoliverfoundation.com/in-the-media/maggie-s-unredacted-statement-for-the-iicsa-report

👏👏👏

ThePhantomoftheEcobubbleOpera · 16/06/2025 10:10

ThePhantomoftheEcobubbleOpera · 16/06/2025 09:53

Well then from the total report, about 200 pages only a handful cover this type of sexual violence against children.

Sorry, too late to edit...the report covered 3000 pages, and yet just a handful dedicated to the sexual violence of the grooming gangs.

Whosenameisthis · 16/06/2025 10:07

MiloMinderbinder925 · 16/06/2025 09:37

I belive she looked at several areas and came up with recommendations in order to combat all CSA. For example mandatory reporting. Making it a criminal offence not to report child abuse or to cover up abuse. To produce better data and create a single core set of figures covering the age, sex and ethnicity of victims and perpetrators, the places in which abuse happens, and the factors that make children vulnerable. And setting up a new child protection authority including a cabinet minister for children amongst others.

I am not sure about mandatory reporting.

a lot of advice now centres the victim. Whether they want to report. It’s about giving them back control and power of what happens, as well as respecting their privacy and whether they want to go through a court case and re live it all.

i recently found out about a historic csa case. Had I known at the time I would absolutely have reported it. Turns out everyone in the family knew, and responded from blind eye to enabling it. They were more worried about the consequences for the abuser than the victim.

i’m appalled. Absolutely horrified and no longer speak to any of them. Again I would report it, but the victim is now an adult and has expressly said she does not want to report it, it’s history and she wants to move on. The abuser is dead so no risk to others.

so I respect the victim’s choice. It’s her life and while I think she should report it still I agree it’s her decision and she needs to find a way to heal.

ThePhantomoftheEcobubbleOpera · 16/06/2025 10:02

Survivors said the report was too cautious. Sarah Champion said it swept the ethnic dimension under the carpet. Andrew Norfolk said it shied away from uncomfortable truths. You can see what Maggie Oliver has to say about it on her own website
https://www.themaggieoliverfoundation.com/in-the-media/maggie-s-unredacted-statement-for-the-iicsa-report

ThePhantomoftheEcobubbleOpera · 16/06/2025 09:53

Well then from the total report, about 200 pages only a handful cover this type of sexual violence against children.

MiloMinderbinder925 · 16/06/2025 09:49

ThePhantomoftheEcobubbleOpera · 16/06/2025 09:43

The Jay report was called, "Independent Inquiry into Child Sexual Exploitation in Rotherham (1997–2013)"

I'm talking about The Independent Inquiry into Child Sexual Abuse (IICSA) published in October 2022.

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