There will be a national enquiry into the grooming gangs

No Muslim-sounding names, that’s why.

Exactly. Some uncomfortable truths will emerge from this.

The inquiry will look into White British grooming gangs as well, presumably.

Jess Phillips was on Newsnight last night, apparently feeling like she's done all the right things.

@Fetaface there have been accusations of racism in this thread - both overt and implied- every time the race of the perpetrators was mentioned. This has been a major reason why the authorities did not tackle the issue properly.
You deployed a different tactic of whataboutery and deflection .

Yeah I read it it went on about xenophobia.

I haven't made out that I have acknowledged that in some posts but you have ignored that clearly. I have said the culture of all offenders is hatred of women! That is the reason they do it!

The ethnicity of offenders I have discussed too. I have discussed about the different ways that the data can be used and how each portrays different things including race. You failed to read that because you have a bee in your bonnet as I mentioned other things than you'd like. I haven't said that the pakistani gangs didn't do what they did because of race. I said they all did it because of misogyny which it the underlying issue in race and religion. If you think some religions are centred around equality you are very much mistaken. The whole reason for religion is to control women - so misogyny! So yes I very much talked about that but you didn't understand that religion is built by men to control women and that was the point I was making and that culturally all societies have been built around controlling women. So yes I very much did mention culture - the culture of misogyny!

The enquiry is into grooming gangs so why are you pissed when I talk about grooming gangs?

Right, got it. It makes more sense in context within a post.

One hurling the accusation of 'racist'. I had put racist in inverted commas to express speech. But you're correct perhaps I should have put "racist"

Did you read further on ? And you did indeed try to make out the ethnicity and culture of the offenders had nothing to do with "race" ? Is that not an indirect accusation of 'racism'? 'forgot what you wrote....?

What's a racist thrower?

First line....for all the racist throwers!

So yes it mentions racism. Forget what you wrote?

You obviously didn't read the quoted post. It had nothing to do with racism or racist accusing....!?

It was centred around "whatabouttery"

I do agree that the class system explains the avenue by which police ignored these girls and the cover-ups that followed.

I agree with all of that, and I wasn't suggesting that you were victim blaming at all. The circumstances of the children involved is obviously important.
It's the culture of the perpetrators that needs addressing more so imo. They are welcomed, defended and protected by their own communities, even after conviction.

Unfortunately there is no social cohesion. It's not working. You only have to take a look at blackmumsnetters to see that. Black people freely ousting off of threads any white women with respectful contributions. Outwardly spoken desires to live in communities that are 'black' in the UK and an expressed desire for 'black' schools and open criticism of white people. This is the UK, where 86% (roughly) of people are white. Living in communities amongst only 'your own ' is so utterly divisive. And we can't keep blaming actions from decades and centuries ago for people feeling this way. Why are one group of people emboldened to share anti white sentiment (in a majority white country ) whilst white people can't even stick up for themselves. It's swapping of the oppressed and the oppressor.

None of us should be living in groups based solely on skin colour. This isn't apartheid south Africa ? And it's not white people expressing it. Most white people are utterly pretzling themselves to stick up for any tiny perceived 'microaggressions' , falling over themselves to be 'inclusive' meanwhile on the other end : it's perfectly ok to express an open desire to live away from 'white people'

There is poverty and wealth in every country - and poverty makes you more exposed to risk. It's not because they called their last meal tea or because they didn't know their soup spoons from their dessert spoons which made these girls vulnerable. It is very suspect that you've suggested that England and Wales were vulnerable because of the class system - and not because of the behaviour of the perpetrators.

I've not said anyone is racist. I dont think they are.

You lied in your last post about me assuming things. Now you're assuming I think people are racist. Absolutely not I don't.

Why do you think I think people are racist? I haven't said they cant talk about race. I have done! They can talk about race and many have done. That doesn't make people racist.

The issue is that you dont like me talking about race and want me to stop.

Not sure how- I have no intention of blaming kids born into Britains inner cities, poverty and a culture that has laughed at them and treated them with contempt for decades. Especially girls.

Class is a complex issue. Who knew (once again) that fairness and rule based culture was important to stop communications utterly failing and social cohesion also utterly failing and collapsing.

Agree to an extent, but that leans into victim blaming for me.

To a good extent: I agree.

Bit, you know it also works the other way round : all this 'white privilege ' tired trope. No... It's wealth and class. Poor white boys are not in any way privileged and I don't agree that they're still more privileged in the UK than a poor black boy. It's about time we stopped buying into these tired weaponised theories.

At around 12-15 years old , several of my friends (all poorer white teenage girls) would be driven around at all hours by pakistani men

Slightly off the beaten track, but I’d also like to see an acknowledgement of the role of poverty and class in this.

It’s about culture - humans are a cultural species - and in Britain that means class. Inextricably linked with economics.

Who knew that equality and distribution of wealth and power is important within a society.

Yes!

@Fetaface . In case you missed it. You don't have to reply: but do have a read. This is exactly what you're doing here.

We need some strong Pakistani WOMEN community leaders to call for change in their communities in this country

This surprised me but perhaps it shouldn’t.
I imagine Pakistani girls in the UK are also abused within their community and it’s also covered up.

https://images.dawn.com/news/1193733/worst-place-to-be-a-woman-internet-reacts-as-pakistan-hits-rock-bottom-in-wefs-gender-gap-report