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MiloMinderbinder925 · 17/06/2025 15:58

TeenagersAngst · 17/06/2025 15:53

Gosh, listening to @MiloMinderbinder925 doubling down is like reliving Darren Jones claiming he was 'taken out of context' on Question Time.

Gosh, how very amusing.

MiloMinderbinder925 · 17/06/2025 15:57

ThePhantomoftheEcobubbleOpera · 17/06/2025 15:51

Well if the Casey report doesn't answer that question for you then I won't convince you. So that's the end of it. Fortunately I am relieved that we have some of the common but ignored knowledges published in an official source that also puts a spotlight on these practiced diversionary tactics and misinformation which exist in often cited but grossly untrustworthy earlier reports.

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I'm not sure what you mean. Which of the ten or so reports were grossly untrustworthy?

I don't understand how the Casey report adds anything regarding ethnicity that we didn't already know. There's barely any reliable data - we already knew that. People didn't do their jobs because of racial tension- we already knew that. I already knew that as there have been documentaries, newspaper investigations and many reports into it all saying the same thing.

ThePhantomoftheEcobubbleOpera · 17/06/2025 15:53

TeenagersAngst · 17/06/2025 15:53

Gosh, listening to @MiloMinderbinder925 doubling down is like reliving Darren Jones claiming he was 'taken out of context' on Question Time.

Right? Is that you Lucy? 🧐

TeenagersAngst · 17/06/2025 15:53

Gosh, listening to @MiloMinderbinder925 doubling down is like reliving Darren Jones claiming he was 'taken out of context' on Question Time.

Clavinova · 17/06/2025 15:51

Fetaface · 17/06/2025 13:25

Absolutely everyone picks bits which was what I said in my post! I also didn't say it was anything new. I was replying to someone so hence that was why I posted what was said. Not sure why you are implying I am suggesting it is new?

The data does show most are white. The data does show that the highest proportion are pakistani. Both are true at the same time with the data we have.

The data does show most are white

Which data set are you referring to?
From the Casey report;

Presenting the data with a large percentage of unknown data skews the figures (as we show in chapter 4). For example, in the COCAD data for perpetrators of group based offending in 2023, self-defined ethnicity is 88% White when ‘unknowns’ are excluded, but 28% White when the unknowns are included. We can be confident that at least 28% of group-based offenders are White; but we cannot reach a conclusion that 88% are White overall.

ThePhantomoftheEcobubbleOpera · 17/06/2025 15:51

MiloMinderbinder925 · 17/06/2025 15:44

No, it's an important question.

Well if the Casey report doesn't answer that question for you then I won't convince you. So that's the end of it. Fortunately I am relieved that we have some of the common but ignored knowledges published in an official source that also puts a spotlight on these practiced diversionary tactics and misinformation which exist in often cited but grossly untrustworthy earlier reports.

EasternStandard · 17/06/2025 15:44

DeSoleil · 17/06/2025 15:38

Please don’t ever forget Owen Jones denial -

This was Labour’s line too until a few days ago.

MiloMinderbinder925 · 17/06/2025 15:44

ThePhantomoftheEcobubbleOpera · 17/06/2025 15:37

Was your account hacked yesterday?

No, it's an important question.

DeSoleil · 17/06/2025 15:38

Please don’t ever forget Owen Jones denial -

There will be a national enquiry into the grooming gangs
ThePhantomoftheEcobubbleOpera · 17/06/2025 15:37

MiloMinderbinder925 · 17/06/2025 15:11

I was already aware of the ethnicity of the perpetrators. This has been common knowledge for years and there have been several prosecutions of members of the gangs who were predominantly of Pakistani heritage.

Was your account hacked yesterday?

There will be a national enquiry into the grooming gangs
ilovebrie8 · 17/06/2025 15:37

Daphnise · 17/06/2025 14:52

Labour did not want an inquiry as it would almost certainly reveal the prevalence of Asian gangs, probably Muslim, and this was something they wanted to keep covered up to avoid alienating their supporters.

100% this!!!

MiloMinderbinder925 · 17/06/2025 15:30

TeenagersAngst · 17/06/2025 15:29

So you do think ethnicity is relevant? And you were just playing devil's advocate?

I've explained what I meant above.

TeenagersAngst · 17/06/2025 15:29

MiloMinderbinder925 · 17/06/2025 15:28

Then you misunderstood.

So you do think ethnicity is relevant? And you were just playing devil's advocate?

MiloMinderbinder925 · 17/06/2025 15:28

TeenagersAngst · 17/06/2025 15:26

I don't believe I said that. And I think you are misrepresenting yourself. Your attitude a couple of days ago was to repeatedly question posters on why ethnicity was relevant. The implication being it wasn't.

Then you misunderstood.

MiloMinderbinder925 · 17/06/2025 15:27

TildaSwan · 17/06/2025 15:18

Then, I don't understand any of your arguments and what you are trying to say?! You agree with the facts as they have been presented in the report, as does everyone else posting on here. I'm baffled as to why you want to continue arguing with other posters when we ALL agree on the same thing 🤷

We don't agree on the same thing. I don't agree that the ethnicity of the perpetrators is the most important aspect of this. I agree it's a factor and contributed towards nothing being done but I believe the most important factor is misogyny.

I didn't think yet another investigation where none of the recommendations were implemented, was going to be worth the time and expense. Especially as these women have been through this many times over the years to no avail.

However, it seems as though the inquiry might see prosecutions happening for those who turned a blind eye. If that's the case, then I completely support it.

TeenagersAngst · 17/06/2025 15:26

MiloMinderbinder925 · 17/06/2025 14:59

I said many times that fear of racial tension was a factor behind people turning a blind eye. I said several times that it was well known that the perpetrators behind these cases were predominantly of Pakistani heritage. I haven't at any point denied the ethnicity of the perpetrators and would appreciate it if you could quote where I have.

I don't believe I said that. And I think you are misrepresenting yourself. Your attitude a couple of days ago was to repeatedly question posters on why ethnicity was relevant. The implication being it wasn't.

TildaSwan · 17/06/2025 15:18

MiloMinderbinder925 · 17/06/2025 15:11

I was already aware of the ethnicity of the perpetrators. This has been common knowledge for years and there have been several prosecutions of members of the gangs who were predominantly of Pakistani heritage.

Then, I don't understand any of your arguments and what you are trying to say?! You agree with the facts as they have been presented in the report, as does everyone else posting on here. I'm baffled as to why you want to continue arguing with other posters when we ALL agree on the same thing 🤷

MiloMinderbinder925 · 17/06/2025 15:11

ThePhantomoftheEcobubbleOpera · 17/06/2025 15:04

Because if that hasn't convinced you that ethnicity is an important component of this crime and the cover ups that followed then I know that I can step away from the thread knowing that you are beyond reason.

I was already aware of the ethnicity of the perpetrators. This has been common knowledge for years and there have been several prosecutions of members of the gangs who were predominantly of Pakistani heritage.

ThePhantomoftheEcobubbleOpera · 17/06/2025 15:04

Because if that hasn't convinced you that ethnicity is an important component of this crime and the cover ups that followed then I know that I can step away from the thread knowing that you are beyond reason.

MiloMinderbinder925 · 17/06/2025 15:02

OpheliaWasntMad · 17/06/2025 14:49

That’s what I mean . You turn to mockery ( there’s that thesaurus) rather than respectful dialogue . You can only mock and distract from the truth ( I’m using simpler language for you now. HTH)

Are you going to clarify what you mean or continue with the personal attacks?

MiloMinderbinder925 · 17/06/2025 15:00

ThePhantomoftheEcobubbleOpera · 17/06/2025 14:50

Have you read the report yet MiloMinderbinder925? Or are you confident that it is without merit from a distance?

I have read most of it. Why?

MiloMinderbinder925 · 17/06/2025 14:59

TeenagersAngst · 17/06/2025 14:42

You asked several times a couple of days ago, on this thread, why ethnicity was relevant - the implication being it wasn't and people were racist to suggest so.

Has the Casey report, now released, changed your view on that?

I said many times that fear of racial tension was a factor behind people turning a blind eye. I said several times that it was well known that the perpetrators behind these cases were predominantly of Pakistani heritage. I haven't at any point denied the ethnicity of the perpetrators and would appreciate it if you could quote where I have.

Daphnise · 17/06/2025 14:52

Labour did not want an inquiry as it would almost certainly reveal the prevalence of Asian gangs, probably Muslim, and this was something they wanted to keep covered up to avoid alienating their supporters.

ThePhantomoftheEcobubbleOpera · 17/06/2025 14:50

Have you read the report yet MiloMinderbinder925? Or are you confident that it is without merit from a distance?

OpheliaWasntMad · 17/06/2025 14:49

MiloMinderbinder925 · 17/06/2025 14:19

What argument? And there's that theasuras again, are you passing it round?

That’s what I mean . You turn to mockery ( there’s that thesaurus) rather than respectful dialogue . You can only mock and distract from the truth ( I’m using simpler language for you now. HTH)

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