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MiloMinderbinder925 · 17/06/2025 19:34

TeenagersAngst · 17/06/2025 19:27

Flipping heck. Either you’re being deliberately obtuse or you’re just enjoying taking the piss.

I think I’ll defer to those in the know as to whether there’s been denial for the past 20 years rather than a random on the internet.

So you don't know.

OonaStubbs · 17/06/2025 19:34

They will just obscuviate and utter platitudes as normal, a few token people will be hung out to dry, nobody important. Nothing will change.

Menopausalsourpuss · 17/06/2025 19:34

Fetaface · 17/06/2025 19:29

Misogyny is what motivates them.

And racism.

Fetaface · 17/06/2025 19:29

miraxxx · 17/06/2025 18:58

The Sikhs will tell you exactly who the perps are and what motivates them. White grooming gangs aint the answer.

Misogyny is what motivates them.

Fetaface · 17/06/2025 19:27

miraxxx · 17/06/2025 18:53

That is absolute nonsense! I myself have brought up Sikh and Hindu victims of these islamic grooming gangs. They were the early warning signs. I suspect that it is people like you who would want to shut up the other brown communities who were also affected.

I want to ensure they are able to talk. I have helped many in the past and will continue to do so. I was told not to talk about it on here. You clearly were allowed.

Now why are you fabricating things about me?

TeenagersAngst · 17/06/2025 19:27

MiloMinderbinder925 · 17/06/2025 17:00

What additional factors that have to do with ethnicity?

We know they were part of the nighttime economy, taxi drivers and fast food operators. They groomed using the 'boyfriend' method. They plied the girls with drugs and alcohol. How is that different to any other paedophile grooming gang?

I haven't seen denial or gaslighting in many years. There have been reports and investigations going on for over 20 years which all said the same thing.

Flipping heck. Either you’re being deliberately obtuse or you’re just enjoying taking the piss.

I think I’ll defer to those in the know as to whether there’s been denial for the past 20 years rather than a random on the internet.

mrshoho · 17/06/2025 19:26

Clavinova · 17/06/2025 15:51

The data does show most are white

Which data set are you referring to?
From the Casey report;

Presenting the data with a large percentage of unknown data skews the figures (as we show in chapter 4). For example, in the COCAD data for perpetrators of group based offending in 2023, self-defined ethnicity is 88% White when ‘unknowns’ are excluded, but 28% White when the unknowns are included. We can be confident that at least 28% of group-based offenders are White; but we cannot reach a conclusion that 88% are White overall.

Thank you for pointing out the flaws in the data so clearly. I do hope people will stop to think before continuing to insist that white men are responsible for the majority of these crimes.

miraxxx · 17/06/2025 18:58

The Sikhs will tell you exactly who the perps are and what motivates them. White grooming gangs aint the answer.

miraxxx · 17/06/2025 18:56

Needacupofteaandcrackers · 17/06/2025 17:56

The Sikh community has been warning about this for years

Yes and the reason this is not listened to is that it brings up even more discomfort for the lefty types who see brown people as a bloc and cannot accept the idea that some very unpleasant religious ideology is running the rape gangs.

miraxxx · 17/06/2025 18:53

Fetaface · 17/06/2025 18:35

Yes they have but on here that isn't to be spoken about. Someone will be along soon to tell you off for saying that Needacupofteaandcrackers

Edited

That is absolute nonsense! I myself have brought up Sikh and Hindu victims of these islamic grooming gangs. They were the early warning signs. I suspect that it is people like you who would want to shut up the other brown communities who were also affected.

Fetaface · 17/06/2025 18:35

Yes they have but on here that isn't to be spoken about. Someone will be along soon to tell you off for saying that Needacupofteaandcrackers

Needacupofteaandcrackers · 17/06/2025 17:56

The Sikh community has been warning about this for years

LakieLady · 17/06/2025 17:30

Steakbreake · 15/06/2025 13:19

What the fuck is this comment? Who gives a shit what he says? What does a 62 year old man know about all those girls being traumatised? A 62 year old man from the same country as most of the perpetrators?

Who died and made him king?

When did Birmingham become a country?

MiloMinderbinder925 · 17/06/2025 17:24

OpheliaWasntMad · 17/06/2025 17:23

Certainly is looking that way isn’t it?

No its not.

OpheliaWasntMad · 17/06/2025 17:23

MiloMinderbinder925 · 17/06/2025 17:12

You said the Labour Party covered up CSA for votes.

Certainly is looking that way isn’t it?

MiloMinderbinder925 · 17/06/2025 17:12

OpheliaWasntMad · 17/06/2025 17:10

No one said “all MPs” 😆
I gave you a quote from Jess Philips and it’s not enough….
You’re clutching at straws.
Yes . Let’s see what the enquiry brings. Transparency and justice I hope

You said the Labour Party covered up CSA for votes.

OpheliaWasntMad · 17/06/2025 17:10

MiloMinderbinder925 · 17/06/2025 17:08

That's not evidence, it's an anecdote. It's certainly not evidence of all MPs covering up CSA. However, we'll see what the inquiry reveals.

No one said “all MPs” 😆
I gave you a quote from Jess Philips and it’s not enough….
You’re clutching at straws.
Yes . Let’s see what the enquiry brings. Transparency and justice I hope

OpheliaWasntMad · 17/06/2025 17:08

Clavinova · 17/06/2025 17:06

Presumably there are at least some people from within the Pakistani community who turned a blind eye or some councillors and community leaders involved in the cover up as well? It's naive to think otherwise.

Yes - I agree. I’d definitely suspect councillors and community leaders have colluded in cover ups .

MiloMinderbinder925 · 17/06/2025 17:08

OpheliaWasntMad · 17/06/2025 16:57

Jess Philips on Newsnight

Safeguarding minister Jess Phillips appeared onNewsnight last night to discuss the Casey report to deny ever turning a “blind eye” to the rape gangs. She said those who wanted to speak out were “being told to keep it it quiet by people from within the Labour party and Maggie Oliver, herself a whistleblower, says Labour and the Tories have both turned a blind eye… not me – I have never turned a blind eye I never would shy away from calling a problem what it is.”

Well … ? That’s Jess Philips saying people were being told to keep it quiet in the Labour Party.
Maggie Oliver says both parties are guilty.
I trust Maggie Oliver in this

That's not evidence, it's an anecdote. It's certainly not evidence of all MPs covering up CSA. However, we'll see what the inquiry reveals.

OpheliaWasntMad · 17/06/2025 17:07

Anyway - the poll is reassuring. The vast majority of people are not taken in by the deniers and gaslighters

C8H10N4O2 · 17/06/2025 17:06

Barr77 · 17/06/2025 16:23

Ah! Owen of the Chavs: the ‘demonisation of the working class’ -Jones.. Champion and spokesperson until the realisation there was little political currency to be had for sticking up for the focus of his first book.

He's much more progressive now, you see; there are worthier victims of the “culture wars” who are more deserving of his solidarity.

Spokesperson for the masses whilst being one of Labour’s MC nepo babies. One our finest brocialists.

Puzzledandpissedoff · 17/06/2025 17:06

Fortunately I am relieved that we have some of the common but ignored knowledges published in an official source ...

So sm I, @ThePhantomoftheEcobubbleOpera, but TBH I'm more concerned over what's going to be done about it, and I'm not convinced yet another inquiry - used as they often are to avoid action "while the results are awaited" and for the complicit to remove themselves from the firing line - will help

For example the collection of more reliable data's already been called for repeatedly, yet years down the line it remains an issue, so what reason is there to suppose it will be different this time?

Clavinova · 17/06/2025 17:06

OpheliaWasntMad · 17/06/2025 16:36

Yes - absolutely. The anger should not be directed at whole communities. The anger is for the perpetrators and the ( non Pakistani) people who covered up and turned a blind eye .

Presumably there are at least some people from within the Pakistani community who turned a blind eye or some councillors and community leaders involved in the cover up as well? It's naive to think otherwise.

OpheliaWasntMad · 17/06/2025 17:05

MiloMinderbinder925 · 17/06/2025 17:00

What additional factors that have to do with ethnicity?

We know they were part of the nighttime economy, taxi drivers and fast food operators. They groomed using the 'boyfriend' method. They plied the girls with drugs and alcohol. How is that different to any other paedophile grooming gang?

I haven't seen denial or gaslighting in many years. There have been reports and investigations going on for over 20 years which all said the same thing.

”I haven't seen denial or gaslighting in many years”
You don’t think that Maggie Oliver might be more well informed than you on this issue.
She says there has been constant denial and gaslighting.

Fetaface · 17/06/2025 17:05

TeenagersAngst · 17/06/2025 16:54

It’s short sighted to view all sexual predators as the same. They may all have misogyny in common but there will be additional factors that are equally important to consider.

The reason so many people are ‘fixated’ on ethnicity in this case is probably due to frustration at the denial and gaslighting that has gone on for years.

Yes and there are factors relating to ethnicity that need discussing like people treating brown and black victims as not important to be included in support leading to many not getting help even today they are not able to access and sometimes not knowing they were abused until later on due to lack of sex education means that they have felt forgotten. It is true that ethnicity does impact on victims seeking help if they are viewed as 'less than' important than other victims. Absolutely agree with this needs discussing and it is one thing that many victims have expressed. That they feel ignored and less than because of their ethnicity.