There will be a national enquiry into the grooming gangs

Yes, that is a good idea. One thread about Pakistani grooming gangs and another about white grooming gangs.

I grew up in Oldham and live in Rochdale. Many imams and community elders have spoken out. Of course, some of these men were paedophiles, just as many Catholic and Church of England priests have been paedophiles (Google why Justin Welby resigned). Every single man I personally know who has been convicted of sexually abusing underage girls has been White British.

I'm not 'getting my knickers in a twist' I'm interested to know why there needs to be further investigation into the modus operandi of these groups because of their ethnicity. I'm not sure what more, after over ten investigations, we need to know.

I'm very interested in people who denigrated the victims and revictimised them, being held to account. I'm interested in cold cases being reopened. I'm interested in new laws such as making it a criminal offence to cover up CSA and a complete overhaul in how victims of CSA are treated including having their convictions quashed. I'm also very interested in recommendations actually being implemented instead of dropped.

They tend to go to Thailand to sexually exploit young girls and women for about £5, less than the price of a drink in a UK bar.

Well, if you’ve never denied racial tensions being a factor in these gangs being allowed to gang rape children for two decades, Im struggling to understand why you’re getting your knickers in a twist about ethnicity being a key factor.

Yvette Cooper says, "The vast majority of our British Asian and Pakistani heritage communities continue to be appalled by these terrible crimes, and agree that the criminal minority of sick predators and perpetrators in every community must be dealt with robustly by the criminal law."

I don't think this is true. This is one of those things woolly-headed liberals like to believe is true. How many imams have spoken out against the grooming gangs? Where all the protests?

You haven't answered the question.

I have never denied the fact that these cases were partly ignored due to racial tension. I was questioning how these gangs differed to those of other gangs due to the particular ethnicity of the perpetrators.

Its very obvious why people don't want to admit complete dereliction of duty.

Absolutely agree with all of this,
Both parties are guilty.
MPs like Ann Cryer, Sarah Champion etc were true champions and did the right thing despite the vitriolic accusations of racism etc

That’s so interesting, thank you.

The Muslim Women's Network reported on it as did some councils like Sheffield and also CEOP. They also reported that the data they have no idea of because many are threatened into silence due to family honour and because they were filmed and threatened with sending it to families here and abroad. They also reported that it was hard to be heard as they were not white.

The scale of this we will never know but it would be very dumb of us to assume that some children are safe with paedophiles because they are a certain religion. No child is safe with a paedo around.

If the truth feeds far-right narratives, let it. Because it's better than letting lies feed far-right narratives.

Struggling to find any reports on this - would be interested to see the data you have

They do!

Moreover, if ethnicity isn’t a factor, why are the Muslim gangs not abusing and raping Muslim girls?

There are male victims but again that isn't spoken of.

They rape muslim girls too so as I said that is due to misogyny and hating females.

There have been multiple responses to this point on this thread. But you are determined to view this through one lens - misogyny.

I have already said I agree with your perspective on this. But in this case, the disproportionate numbers of Pakistani men involved in the gang culture cannot be ignored. It explains why institutions failed to act and that is a key part of the story. They didn’t only fail to act because they were all hardened misogynists. They failed to act because of fears of being accused of racism. It’s no coincidence that the majority of predators operated with impunity in Labour- controlled authorities.

If ethnicity isn’t an important factor how do you explain reports with the word ‘Pakistani’ crossed out? How do you explain the countless news reports addressing the denial due to concerns about inflaming cultural tensions?

Moreover, why are you expending so much energy arguing against it as something worthy of further investigation? Clearly previous reports haven’t gone far enough. Local authorities are not volunteering themselves for local investigations- why not? You really think they’re worried about being outed as misogynists??

The Labour Party haven’t exactly covered themselves in glory on this issue — and they need to be very careful not to become the party associated with political cowardice. But let’s not pretend the Conservatives have done much better. Neither side has shown the urgency or moral courage this issue deserves.

Labour-led councils — particularly in Rotherham, Rochdale, and Oxford — were in charge during the worst of the grooming gang abuse. Multiple inquiries, including the recent Casey Report, now confirm what survivors and whistleblowers had said for years: these councils ignored, denied, or minimised the abuse, often out of fear that confronting it might seem racist or upset key local voting blocs.

Political sensitivities, particularly around race and community cohesion, seemed to matter more than the safety of working-class girls. Former Labour MP Simon Danczuk made clear that many within Labour turned a blind eye because they didn’t want to risk losing votes.

The late Jo Cox expressed the dilemma clearly — wanting to protect victims but worried that, by speaking openly, could feed far-right narratives. This tension seems to have haunted the party’s response.

When a national inquiry was proposed in January 2025, Keir Starmer and Labour leadership focused on this same fears of risk for far-right exploitation of the issue, using that as a reason to whip MPs to vote against it.

Inside the party, responses were mixed:
Lucy Powell - called discussions about grooming gangs “dog whistles” on BBC Radio 4. Jess Philips faced criticism for not pushing harder or speaking out decisively during the inquiry vote.

There are however notable exceptions who have long called for action and accountability, though they often faced resistance. They deserve recognition and rightly so. Sarah Champion,, MP for Rotherham, who has been a tireless advocate for victims. Ann Cryer, former MP for Keighley, was one of the first politicians to speak out despite backlash and Melanie Onn, former MP for Great Grimsby, criticised Labour’s slow response and political caution.

But to be clear: the Conservatives also had years to act. They’ve been in government since 2010. If they truly believed a national inquiry was needed, they had multiple chances — and didn’t take them. It only became politically convenient after Labour’s failures became public again. And of course there has been the rise of Reform.

Ultimately, it’s disgusting how all parties have behaved.

They despise/hate non-muslims. In their eyes raping non-Muslim women is showing disrespect to non-muslim men as well. Especially as they know they get away with it or get ridiculously low sentences due to our evil authorities. I'm not convinced that they didn't/arent raping some non-muslim boys as well.

I'm asking you what was different about these grooming gangs due to ethnicity. We've had many reports and investigations into the gangs and I haven't read anything that suggests their modus operandi was different because of ethnicity.

However, you seem certain there is so I'm asking what that is.

Racism motives many people yes but it is was just racism they'd do it to white men, no?

Or they'd not do it to their own. I think it would be pretty naive of us to think that rapists families are safe and that they do not rape their own kids or wives. That is absolutely where they will have started.

But you do apparently?

Please share your real life observations of the past two decades that lead you to decisively conclude there has been no denial of the facts. When those close to the situation are claiming the very opposite.

Never have I said all men are misogynistic. More lies. Not quite sure why you keep lying about me.

You are the one saying all men not me. Why is that?

Men is a plural noun. It means more than 1 man. So when the word man is used it means 1. When the word men is used it refers to an amount bigger than 1. It could be 2, 3 or millions. But what it doesn't mean is all or else that would've been specified.

Now you understand basic grammar we can continue.

Can you quote were I said ALL men?

The data we have is the tip of the iceberg for all communities in respect of both perpetrators and victims. We are surely not naive to think that these rapists go home and are respectful to the women and girls in their own community and that this is their entry level crime. Absolutely it is not.

They will do it in their own communities as well as within other communities. They will do it to their families and neighbours. We think we know but the reality is that these men have felt empowered to do this as their prior crimes have been supported by our society so they go on to do worse.

We also will never know the whole picture or have any idea of the scale or amount of people involved. So what we can do is use the data we have and ensure that data going forwards is complete. Same with all sex crimes, the real scale we will never know.

What this has also shown is that people do not know the concept of most. A basic mathematical concept taught in EYFS at school.

Religious sanction. It explains the other brown victims.

Yeah,but you, oh enlightened one, have already established that all men are misogynist. Wait, did any white british men run out to Syria to enslave and rape yazidi children? Why not since all men are equally vile?