There will be a national enquiry into the grooming gangs

Of course the Catholic Church has horrific scandals to apologise for.
There absolutely HAVE been apologies but it takes more than an apology. …
There has been a catastrophic loss of trust and it will take generations for it to be restored.
Im a Catholic and I will absolutely own the shit that has happened in my community. Im not in denial.

It's not odd when you only mentioned people from certain minorities. We have had the Anglican church scandals, private school scandals, care home scandals, many cases of CSA happening on a large scale, often for decades and covered up by those institutions. We've had prolific sexual offenders such as Savile and Al Fayed, predating for decades and covered up.

I haven't heard Anglicans screaming from the rooftops apologising. In fact, wasn't its leader disgraced recently for having done nothing about a prolific sexual offender?

Which bit haven’t you experienced? Im confused by your comment.
The bit where I said Irish people are sickened by the scandal?
The bit where I said ordinary Irish Catholics were victims of clergy abuse …

I haven't experienced that. I haven't heard anything at all.

No I'm in agreement with that poster. Catholic church absolutely should have come out in force to say "not in our name" Instead of twirling about with the latest pope acting like nothing has happened. I assume that poster thought (for some genuinely odd reason ) that I thought only Muslim or black/brown people should be owning and condemning their shit. I entirely agree with the Catholic church comment.

I would like to see those who covered up the sexual abuse of children by people of any race or religion held to account.

Yes . The church has apologised. Not sure that apologies help that much . It will take years and years for healing . It won’t happen just because there is an apology.

There have been books written by survivors, films made, but I haven’t heard anyone from the Catholic Church apologising. I’m happy to stand corrected if they have.

Also, "groups" of people tend to stick together out of loyalty for "their own". White straight people on the other hand, tend to flock to any fashionable minority group whilst degenerating other white people and gaslighting them into believing their 'phobic 'ist and goodness knows what else.whilst they patiently wait on their knees to be hit over the head for their "micro aggressions" . People need to get up off of their knees and stop being so wet and get some bloody balance back . Nothing extreme. Just balance! So "yes racism is despicable. We'll fight that together. I complimented your braids - nope. That's not a "micro aggression " and nope I'm not 'othering you'. Or "yes, I'll be right beside you if someone hurls abuse at you because you dress effeminately as a male. Nope - I will not use 'neopronouns' that's absurd. No that doesn't make me phobic'

Or "it's an emerging fact that there is a link with grooming gangs and Pakistani heritage. No that doesn't mean I am now against brown people. And I won't contort myself to prove it. It's just common sense and human decency "

Well I’m Catholic and I’m horrified. We do talk about it - everyone I know is completely sickened. If you speak to Irish Catholics you would know how very strongly they feel about these atrocities. The abusers were clergy and the abuse was covered up by clergy . Not ordinary Irish Catholics. Ordinary Irish Catholic families were victims.
It will take generations for the wounds to properly heal .

If you read it on Twitter it’s definitely true.

I used to work with teenagers from several areas of Ireland who had been abused by white Catholic men, usually their grandfathers and uncles, and brought to English children’s homes to protect them. There were some white English teenage boys and girls who had been taken into local authority care because they were “child prostitutes” as well. They had, without exception, been abused by their parents and their parents’ friendship groups. This was in the late 1990s.

I will wait for the data to come from the inquiry. I’m well aware that there are paedophiles in the Muslim community, the Christian community, and the far right mob.

Yes, I agree!

I read something on twitter earlier. “Loudest recorded noise in human history- eruption of Krakatoa. Quietest sound in human history - the condemnation of Pakistani rape gangs from so called community leaders”

Why assume that all white grooming gangs are the same any more than those gangs within other racial groups?
Culture is more relevant (which may overlap with race and or claimed religion). Italian, Russian, Albanian, London, Glaswegian and otoher groups all have slightly differing ways of recruiting and holding onto gang members, variations in their criminal activities, variations in how they influence authorities and how they coerce silence within their own communities.

Culture is relevant to gang formation and cohesion. The details will vary and those variations will influence ways of investigation but the overall pattern is the same

Its also worth looking at the reports from Southall Black Sisters, Karma Nirvana and other groups which specialise in in supporting minority women through the additional taboos they face in reporting sexual abuse and coerced marriages.

This is an old first hand account form one of the Mipuri victims of the Rotherham gangs.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-30152240

I agree. The current investigation into CSA in Ireland has uncovered tens of thousands of cases going back decades. Covered up by everyone, absolutely despicable. Yet I haven't heard Catholics scream from the rooftops about how abhorrent it is. Not.a.peep.

Yes, there's little data on ethnicity, we've known that for a long time.

I agree, this exchange is pointless.

And one investigation for Pakistani and one for black men and one for Kurdish and one for white and one for Chinese and one for Hispanic....

Great idea! Good use of money! Or we could do one that would address them all.

Yes, the data was flawed. The ethnicity data….

Are we going to go round in circles all night?

Probably because you live in a predominantly 'white British ' country. Same way most paeodophiles in Zimbabwe will be black. But if a disproportionate amount of white people there (even a small handful ) started commiting these awful crimes. You may think they were disproportionately represented....

She didn't say that there needs to be further investigation into their modus operandi. She decided that there needed to be a national inquiry because the data was flawed, information wasn't shared, denial by institutions and most importantly, justice for the survivors.

I couldn't agree with you more and I'm glad someone has had the guts to voice it.

It's a caveat. "We now know there's a common link with the Pakistani heritage of the perpetrators and now acknowledge it is in fact a 'thing' but just so as nobody accuses us of racism we'll pretend that all the Pakistani community are up in arms and find it deplorable"

You won't hear a peep out of them.

As we never do. When other minority ethnic groups commit atrocious crimes (Axel Rudakubana- where's all the threads on black Mumsnetters appalled at him ? There's only threads relating to black victims of crime) nobody on there seems to care about the white kids?) when terrorism under the name of 'religion' takes place : the Muslim community aren't falling over themselves to unite with us and scream from the rooftops "not in our name" .

Now, we know of bloody course that just because someone shares a religion or colour with someone awful that they don't have to answer for their crimes. But if it is a minority group within the UK, especially when their stating there is Islam phobia and racism, surely someone, anyone is willing to speak up and say "these monsters don't represent us" or at least advertise sympathy with the victims.

Let's face it : we harp on and on and on, on here how "males need to step up and sort out male violence" etc. but why are they the only group expected to sort out their "own" ?

I think we've just kind of accepted nobody else has to bend over backwards for cohesion.

Because Louise Casey has spent the last six months reviewing the evidence, has spoken to victims and has looked at past reports - and has decided more needs to be done to get to the root cause and a resolution.

What audit have you undertaken in the last six months which leads you to a different conclusion?