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Landlord selling, but won’t sell to me

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Flora73 · 13/06/2025 13:14

After 11 months in the house, my landlord has issued a section 21, my contract rather conveniently contained a break clause so he can do this earlier than the 12 month mark.

I have a mortgage in principle, I’ve been looking for somewhere to buy but he has rejected this and said I still have to leave as they want to maximise the sale price. He has even said that I move out and he will let me know which agent it is on with so I can purchase it that way. It just seems utterly bonkers.

And before anyone lays into me I am fully aware that it is his house and he can do what he likes, and I have no rights, but I can’t work out why he won’t sell to me. We’ve had a good relationship to date with no issues.

Can anyone thing of reasons why this would be?

OP posts:
pinkdelight · 15/06/2025 15:37

Flora73 · 15/06/2025 15:27

Thank you. In his last message he did say he wouldn’t engage in a private sale, but it’s worth a go. I think I’ll get some agents to come and give me a valuation and take it from there.

Can you do that - get a valuation on a home you don't own so you can offer on it? Not being antagonistic, genuinely don't know if this is something EAs do, as they're not consultancy services for buyers who won't be using them. And when PP says 'nothing to lose', I dunno - if LL found out you'd got EAs to value his property for a private sale (that he's already said no to), it might pee him off.

Digdongdoo · 15/06/2025 15:27

Flora73 · 15/06/2025 15:27

Thank you. In his last message he did say he wouldn’t engage in a private sale, but it’s worth a go. I think I’ll get some agents to come and give me a valuation and take it from there.

You've got nothing to lose. I hope it works out for you either way.

Flora73 · 15/06/2025 15:27

Digdongdoo · 15/06/2025 15:25

If you can afford anything like that figure, and you want the house, I'd make an offer. His number isn't a million miles off the zoopla estimate, and you say it's a unique house. I guess it's up to you if you want to open up negotiations or not, because currently you haven't dealt your hand. You have to weigh up against the cost of moving, possibly a couple of times, too. It isn't only the landlord that would benefit from you buying it.
Of course he might still say no, but you haven't actually tried yet.

Thank you. In his last message he did say he wouldn’t engage in a private sale, but it’s worth a go. I think I’ll get some agents to come and give me a valuation and take it from there.

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Flora73 · 15/06/2025 15:25

ThatDaringEagle · 15/06/2025 15:20

If you want the house, make a firm & fair offer OP.
(You should ask an estate agent for a valuation yourself imho & offer that or 350K or something in between)

You'll only be able to negotiate over furniture & white goods at this stage. But a fair price paid for something you want, with maybe a few cherries on top is probably better than the prospect of better & continuing to pay rent somewhere . Also the 2 moves will have costs, & be a double PITA.

Exactly that! Moving costs, both financially and emotionally. And I need some stability.

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Digdongdoo · 15/06/2025 15:25

Flora73 · 15/06/2025 15:16

I did ask how much it was worth, he didn’t volunteer the information.

If you can afford anything like that figure, and you want the house, I'd make an offer. His number isn't a million miles off the zoopla estimate, and you say it's a unique house. I guess it's up to you if you want to open up negotiations or not, because currently you haven't dealt your hand. You have to weigh up against the cost of moving, possibly a couple of times, too. It isn't only the landlord that would benefit from you buying it.
Of course he might still say no, but you haven't actually tried yet.

ThatDaringEagle · 15/06/2025 15:20

If you want the house, make a firm & fair offer OP.
(You should ask an estate agent for a valuation yourself imho & offer that or 350K or something in between)

You'll only be able to negotiate over furniture & white goods at this stage. But a fair price paid for something you want, with maybe a few cherries on top is probably better than the prospect of better & continuing to pay rent somewhere . Also the 2 moves will have costs, & be a double PITA.

Flora73 · 15/06/2025 15:16

Digdongdoo · 15/06/2025 15:08

I'm not sure how you expect a negotiation without making an offer. That would be the logical place to start. He must have told you what the valuation was for a reason...

I did ask how much it was worth, he didn’t volunteer the information.

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Flora73 · 15/06/2025 15:15

BIossomtoes · 15/06/2025 15:10

You’d be mad to offer him the price he says it was valued at 18 months ago. Who does that when they don’t know if it’s been valued or not or whether it’s a figure he’s plucked out of thin air? I really don’t understand why he doesn’t get some current valuations from estate agents and work from there. Bear in mind it’s a buyers’ market at the moment so I’d go and look for a bargain if it was me.

I do think you’re right. This has made me think about what house is right for me, not from an emotive perspective or a practical one. I don’t want to move yet, I’ve not been here a year, and moving is so expensive and exhausting.

I don’t think it is worth what he said it was. There’s another house in the same town, albeit 25 years old and not 150, that has 3 bedrooms too but a garage and off road parking too, which this doesn’t. And that’s come on the market for £360k.

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BIossomtoes · 15/06/2025 15:10

Flora73 · 15/06/2025 15:04

So you think I should? This is why I’ve been reluctant because he’s completely shut down any form of negotiation on any level! I didn’t even think to offer him a price because he never asked me if I was able to buy it, despite knowing I have a MIP. Which he rather condescendingly congratulated me about.

You’d be mad to offer him the price he says it was valued at 18 months ago. Who does that when they don’t know if it’s been valued or not or whether it’s a figure he’s plucked out of thin air? I really don’t understand why he doesn’t get some current valuations from estate agents and work from there. Bear in mind it’s a buyers’ market at the moment so I’d go and look for a bargain if it was me.

Digdongdoo · 15/06/2025 15:08

Flora73 · 15/06/2025 15:04

So you think I should? This is why I’ve been reluctant because he’s completely shut down any form of negotiation on any level! I didn’t even think to offer him a price because he never asked me if I was able to buy it, despite knowing I have a MIP. Which he rather condescendingly congratulated me about.

I'm not sure how you expect a negotiation without making an offer. That would be the logical place to start. He must have told you what the valuation was for a reason...

Flora73 · 15/06/2025 15:04

Digdongdoo · 15/06/2025 14:51

So you can afford the £350k valuation? If so go in strong and offer it (or something very close) to your landlord. If you haven't done so, no wonder he won't negotiate.

So you think I should? This is why I’ve been reluctant because he’s completely shut down any form of negotiation on any level! I didn’t even think to offer him a price because he never asked me if I was able to buy it, despite knowing I have a MIP. Which he rather condescendingly congratulated me about.

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Digdongdoo · 15/06/2025 14:51

Flora73 · 15/06/2025 14:49

And also the Renters Reform Bill 2025 will most likely exclude any Section 21s that have already been issued. So that’s hardly something I’m factoring in to my decision making.

I have also said that I would pay whatever an agent suggested was a reasonable price for the house, not one with a sitting tenant! I do suggest you read all my comments before posting.

So you can afford the £350k valuation? If so go in strong and offer it (or something very close) to your landlord. If you haven't done so, no wonder he won't negotiate.

JHound · 15/06/2025 14:51

Flora73 · 13/06/2025 13:14

After 11 months in the house, my landlord has issued a section 21, my contract rather conveniently contained a break clause so he can do this earlier than the 12 month mark.

I have a mortgage in principle, I’ve been looking for somewhere to buy but he has rejected this and said I still have to leave as they want to maximise the sale price. He has even said that I move out and he will let me know which agent it is on with so I can purchase it that way. It just seems utterly bonkers.

And before anyone lays into me I am fully aware that it is his house and he can do what he likes, and I have no rights, but I can’t work out why he won’t sell to me. We’ve had a good relationship to date with no issues.

Can anyone thing of reasons why this would be?

It seems he told you why he won’t sell to you: he wants to maximise his sale price.

Flora73 · 15/06/2025 14:49

ThatDaringEagle · 15/06/2025 14:33

And suggesting I move all my things out of this house, and make good any marks from living here, to then buy it on the open market and move back is ludicrous.

Do you think he might not really trust your bone fides OP?

I mean according to you he may not even know that you have the finance in place and, that you've disputed his valuation, and, questioned his integrity, and, wanted to defer making an offer for another 4-5 months, (isn't that when the law changes on tenancy rights, hmmmm) and that offer would assumedly be what you feel it's worth then (with you as a sitting tenant I suppose) rather than equal to or more than the valuation he's said he received from a professional estate agent ~12 months ago, and lastly that you were entertaining the idea of hampering the section process to try to stop him exercising his legal right to break ; Yet he still wants to go to open market, rather than try to deal with you directly.... without knowing these all of these crucial ancillary facts....

Your LL seems very wise to me OP, sorry. Good luck with your house hunt.

And also the Renters Reform Bill 2025 will most likely exclude any Section 21s that have already been issued. So that’s hardly something I’m factoring in to my decision making.

I have also said that I would pay whatever an agent suggested was a reasonable price for the house, not one with a sitting tenant! I do suggest you read all my comments before posting.

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Flora73 · 15/06/2025 14:46

ThatDaringEagle · 15/06/2025 14:33

And suggesting I move all my things out of this house, and make good any marks from living here, to then buy it on the open market and move back is ludicrous.

Do you think he might not really trust your bone fides OP?

I mean according to you he may not even know that you have the finance in place and, that you've disputed his valuation, and, questioned his integrity, and, wanted to defer making an offer for another 4-5 months, (isn't that when the law changes on tenancy rights, hmmmm) and that offer would assumedly be what you feel it's worth then (with you as a sitting tenant I suppose) rather than equal to or more than the valuation he's said he received from a professional estate agent ~12 months ago, and lastly that you were entertaining the idea of hampering the section process to try to stop him exercising his legal right to break ; Yet he still wants to go to open market, rather than try to deal with you directly.... without knowing these all of these crucial ancillary facts....

Your LL seems very wise to me OP, sorry. Good luck with your house hunt.

Have you read any of my recent posts?

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ThatDaringEagle · 15/06/2025 14:33

And suggesting I move all my things out of this house, and make good any marks from living here, to then buy it on the open market and move back is ludicrous.

Do you think he might not really trust your bone fides OP?

I mean according to you he may not even know that you have the finance in place and, that you've disputed his valuation, and, questioned his integrity, and, wanted to defer making an offer for another 4-5 months, (isn't that when the law changes on tenancy rights, hmmmm) and that offer would assumedly be what you feel it's worth then (with you as a sitting tenant I suppose) rather than equal to or more than the valuation he's said he received from a professional estate agent ~12 months ago, and lastly that you were entertaining the idea of hampering the section process to try to stop him exercising his legal right to break ; Yet he still wants to go to open market, rather than try to deal with you directly.... without knowing these all of these crucial ancillary facts....

Your LL seems very wise to me OP, sorry. Good luck with your house hunt.

Puzzledandpissedoff · 15/06/2025 14:13

Your Landlord is breaking the law. Rather then just making you homeless, he has to give you first refusal

You might want to at least try to get it right, @JanuaryFlowers

As PPs have mentioned - and which I strongly suspect you already knew - this only applies where there are multiple flats in the same building, and even then there are further qualifying criteria

I recognise though that on here at least it's nothing new for the facts to be ignored in the stampede to damn landlords for just about everything

Newgirls · 15/06/2025 13:04

Yes see this as an opportunity - to own your own place. Maybe this one, maybe something better. He might be very keen to sell to you in 3 month and you can negotiate the price

pinkdelight · 15/06/2025 13:00

And suggesting I move all my things out of this house, and make good any marks from living here, to then buy it on the open market and move back is ludicrous.

It's ludricous from your POV, but not at all from his. That's all that's happening here. You've got different goals and the way to achieve them is incompatible.

Glad you've accepted the situation anyhow and sure it'll all work out for the best, you'll find the right home and not look back on this with any regret.

BooneyBeautiful · 15/06/2025 13:00

Flora73 · 15/06/2025 12:50

Fortunately I’m not as rude as you’re suggesting I am, and I took his valuation at face value. It has only been since then where I have doubted it due to the prices of houses in the area.

And suggesting I move all my things out of this house, and make good any marks from living here, to then buy it on the open market and move back is ludicrous.

And I haven’t come to Mumsnet to moan at all! I wanted a balanced set of opinions as to why he is approaching it this way, and on the whole I have received them.

And in relation to your third point, I think I said 3-4 months as I would have more of a deposit which would put me in a stronger position. I don’t see that as being a negative! Until you’ve been in this situation, which I strongly doubt you have, then you are in no position to judge me for feeling the way I do.

He told me to my face it would be a long term rental, I told him a year ago that I would not take the tenancy on if it was not and he assured me they had no intention of selling. It clearly wasn’t long term and they are selling. He also offered me more time if I wanted it before I had to leave and this offer has now been rescinded.

So I don’t feel particularly obliging as I feel he has completely messed me around.

Have his circumstances changed though? Perhaps that's why he has now decided to sell. Or perhaps he has thought about the new rental laws that are coming in and decided he doesn't want the hassle. I am sure there will be plenty of landlords who will sell because of this. I am sorry you are in this position though OP.

Flora73 · 15/06/2025 12:54

MondayYogurt · 15/06/2025 10:45

All these negotiation tips are pointless. He’s made a decision, let him have it.

Why fanny around trying to win his approval - it’s just another pick me dance!

Go see other houses. It’s a buyers market, you could find your dream home.

You’re absolutely right, this is what I’m going to do. Thank you.

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Flora73 · 15/06/2025 12:54

PiggyPigalle · 15/06/2025 10:56

If your MIP offer allows to the value of this property, see a solicitor who will best advise on what to do. Just doing that shows your intention is serious.

You haven't said how you're in the position to buy after renting for so many years, nor why you obtained a MIP. Was it for this property?
Your LL sounds as though he considers it a pipe dream on your part.

It was for this property. I hadn’t even thought about buying it before he told me he was selling. I was quite happy renting, I’ve made it my home and was very settled. Buying was a little bit further down the line.

The MIP is up to 400k so would cover this house.

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Flora73 · 15/06/2025 12:50

ThatDaringEagle · 15/06/2025 10:44

Look, the OP has

  1. Disputed the valuation the LL said he had got on the house over 1 year ago
  2. Doubted the LL's integrity (possibly to his face)
  3. Said she doesn't want to bid what she feels the house is worth for 4/5 months hence, cos she will be "in a better position to negotiate"
  4. Openly entertained the idea that she would try up to mess up the section process to stop the LL exercising his legal right to get her to vacate the property.

The LL has invited her to bid on the (then Unoccupied & likely tarted up) house, through the open market bidding process, which is totally fair enough. If she really wanted the house at a fair price, then It's up to her to make a bid now that might justify him not thinking he may get a better price on the open market after going thru all the hassle & expenses of selling that way. But she hasn't done this, instead she's come on Mn to moan!?

Tbh, the LL is wise imho. There are red flags all over this. OP, if you really want the house make a fair bid for it now, and stop all the pissing around.

Edited

Fortunately I’m not as rude as you’re suggesting I am, and I took his valuation at face value. It has only been since then where I have doubted it due to the prices of houses in the area.

And suggesting I move all my things out of this house, and make good any marks from living here, to then buy it on the open market and move back is ludicrous.

And I haven’t come to Mumsnet to moan at all! I wanted a balanced set of opinions as to why he is approaching it this way, and on the whole I have received them.

And in relation to your third point, I think I said 3-4 months as I would have more of a deposit which would put me in a stronger position. I don’t see that as being a negative! Until you’ve been in this situation, which I strongly doubt you have, then you are in no position to judge me for feeling the way I do.

He told me to my face it would be a long term rental, I told him a year ago that I would not take the tenancy on if it was not and he assured me they had no intention of selling. It clearly wasn’t long term and they are selling. He also offered me more time if I wanted it before I had to leave and this offer has now been rescinded.

So I don’t feel particularly obliging as I feel he has completely messed me around.

OP posts:
PiggyPigalle · 15/06/2025 10:56

If your MIP offer allows to the value of this property, see a solicitor who will best advise on what to do. Just doing that shows your intention is serious.

You haven't said how you're in the position to buy after renting for so many years, nor why you obtained a MIP. Was it for this property?
Your LL sounds as though he considers it a pipe dream on your part.

MondayYogurt · 15/06/2025 10:45

All these negotiation tips are pointless. He’s made a decision, let him have it.

Why fanny around trying to win his approval - it’s just another pick me dance!

Go see other houses. It’s a buyers market, you could find your dream home.

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