Is our town a shithole..

BTW - how we managed was that poor people often lived in absolute squalor, and died young.

@Pistachioitaliano

"Benefits need changing. How do you think we managed in the past. If you needed food or shelter you worked. The state didn't support you."

My mum was born before the birth of the modern welfare state. Her father developed schizophrenia and was sectioned. He died decades later having never left hospital. Her young mum had had 3 young daughters by the time he got ill, and had to work full time, while leaving her kids with various neighbours, some of whom were abusive. Because she was on a low wage and didn't get help with her rent (no housing allowance) she became homeless. My mum is 90 now and still tears up remembering the humiliation and fear of this time in her life.

People like you make comments like that because you're unimaginative and ignorant. You have no concept of the harm to mental and physical health of those living in absolute destitution. My mum is still living with the psychological impact of being raised in abject poverty 80 years ago.

Long, long boring text, copied and pasted.

Get a job.

Do physical labour.

It will do you the world of good.

@Slatterndisgrace you are talking poppycock - plenty of white British are indeed spongers/wasters - and yes their are plenty who of course aren’t , but the system is designed at the moment to make it that it isn’t in some people’s interest to maximise work - and that’s if they can get work - read posts on here about the number of low paid workers working part time , often ( not always) through choice-

I have not said ‘all ‘ immigrants are hard working , will do anything , useful people to have - I wouldn’t know - I don’t know why you think I am all up for open sesame to everyone and their mother , I am
most certainly not - although Johnson it seems certainly was - I had a desk in a business centre 2021 to 2023 and within that centre was a company processing ‘legal’ immigration - the lift was full every day of whole families coming in from Nigeria, Pakistan, Phillipines etc - not single mainly young people here for a few years work - families who needed housing, health, schools etc .
we aren’t talking the issues of the channel crossings, we are talking families admitted in by legal means to fill gaps in healthcare, logistics, whatever - all caused by a load of people returning to within the EU or leaving for other EU places due to being made as welcome here as a fart in a spaceship- mainly single younger people too.

take a look too at the channel crossing numbers pre Brexit - Hugely lower because the French had an obligation to another EU country to contain in France, which they no longer do

yes it wasn’t perfect before , but it was far more controllable than it is now and we have created an environment that far fewer EU people actually want to come to via legal immigration as well , not with standing of course creating issues for our own population who may wish to go to the EU for work/living.

the Tory’s created this mess- I genuinely think they wanted to throw the last election because they knew they had created a ticking time bomb of underlying social issues, no money to cover it off and a country that to be frank I wouldn’t invest in -

we lived in Copenhagen for 20 months, the country does have lots of immigration but is very strict on conditions for anyone coming from outside the EU - the difference is startling - life is made much easier for families but the emphasis is on both people in a couple working as near to full time as possible, cheap and good childcare, high wages, high tax, lots of good social housing, relatively high public services and a strong emphasis on standards of what is acceptable behaviour in public , lots of police too

“Go back to where they came from” said I, oh racist one.

"I’m absolutely bothered by the vast numbers of (predominantly) men who are now loitering around the town all day, doing nothing.
Call me racist all you want, it’s meaningless."

They're not allowed to work, and their hostel accommodation usually doesn't have spaces for them to meet communally indoors.

What would you want them to do? Sit in their room alone all day so you don't have to be offended by the sight of them meeting with friends?

As I stated earlier, the government were pushing people to claim. There was a reason for that.

Anyway, as I have suggested to your cohorts, get yourself a physical job for a while. Take time out from your namby pamby lifestyle, sitting behind your computer writing shit. Get some sun on those delicate hands.

It might get you some self respect,

@alikelylass

1. Can you link to the research evidence you've seen setting out what percentage of asylum seekers speak no English at all. A 2021 report by the Migration Observatory pointed to 9 out of 10 asylum seekers speaking English 'well' or 'adequately' and only 1.4% not being able to speak English at all.
2. Manual workers don't always need to have good English - construction work, some kitchen jobs, some delivery work, landscaping, some agricultural work, cleaning. My neice's girlfriend spoke almost no English for the first year she was in the UK, but made a decent living doing office cleaning.

Why on earth are you making it about “brown people”? I live in a town with a massive Asian population, who have lived here a long time (before me in some cases).
I’m absolutely bothered by the vast numbers of (predominantly) men who are now loitering around the town all day, doing nothing.
Call me racist all you want, it’s meaningless.

People who choose not to work but expects benefits.

Benefits need changing. How do you think we managed in the past. If you needed food or shelter you worked. The state didn't support you.

Benefits should be a safety net for those who have already contributed. NOT a lifestyle choice for anyone.

Get a physical job, try doing some physical labour.

You soft, pappy, spoiled brat.

“Racist”.

You’re a joke.

"Most people here use their own eyes'

Except what you see and how you interpret it is shaped by how racist you are.

For example I live in a poor and multicultural part of London. As a white British born person I'm usually in a minority in my local shops and high street.

Someone like you would stand on my high street, look around them at the very visible poverty and the predominance of ethnic shops and see that as a sign of cultural decline and degradation. You see crowds of brown people and think 'that's bad'. Because to you 'lots of brown people' = 'bad'

I look at it and see that these are shops which would all be boarded up if it wasn't for new immigrants willing to take a risk on running new businesses which they have to keep open all day and night in order to pay their rent and compete with the massive Tesco further up the high street.

The brown people I see in the streets and shops near me are just people. They're parents, workers, elderly people. They want all the same things in life that I do - a home, a life for their children, some money in the bank.

Of course there will be immigrants who commit crimes. Statistically those people are vastly outnumbered by immigrants who pay taxes, raise lovely kids and contribute to their workplaces and communities.

‘Logical direction of travel’.

What the hell does that bollocks mean?! 😆

I can see you never got your soft hands dirty!

Who are ‘they’?

No it wasn’t! Lol.

I urge everyone to go back and read the innocent conversations for what they were.

Maybe it would have helped if you had actually done some physical labour at some point.

I’m getting the vibe of limp, weak and parental spoiling from you and your cohorts.

@Sabire9 "If you want economic growth you need workers. If those workers arrive as adults rather than needing the state to pay for 18 years of education prior to them entering the workforce, so much the better."

So what are they actually trained to do?

Most of these channel migrants don't speak English.

If you want economic growth you need businesses to employ people. Most of the people I know in business have cut staff because they can't afford the hike in NI contributions and the new payrates.

We can’t trust our own eyes or take on things apparently, because governmental and media spokespeople tell us we are wrong.

Together with the paid forum people that we have on here.

People can read it back themselves. It was the logical direction of travel for the conversation you were all having

They "don't want work" because of benefits. If you change the benefit criteria you will miraculously find more do want work!