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FroggletTowers · 12/06/2025 13:53

Or is this happening anywhere else?

I have been discussing this with friends, family and colleagues recently so won't name our town for privacy reasons, but it is a regular, large town in England, UK.
Nothing particularly special or awful about it, previously.

Since the pandemic, the entire vibe has changed. Almost unrecognisable.
Yes, we have some heavy shop closures like many towns, but the council kept it looking decent as much as it could. Some nice buildings and nature areas, etc.

What stands out most, apart from the general vandalism and dog shit is the weird accumulation of male groups hanging around boozing in public.

So far they have taken over the local park, river walks and nature reserves. They often cluster beneath bridges or across paths where people like to run, cycle walk dogs or take children, making it less safe and filling these areas with waste. Off road bikes have ruined the nature reserves, so less people visit Sad

Sadly the authorities don't seem to be doing much about it, it is as if these people don't have to abide by laws that the rest of us have to. Some buildings adjacent to these areas have windows put through on a regular basis, even in what you'd call 'nice' areas.
Many of them cluster at river bridges and block the path for others, most are very drunk or out of generally.
It isn't unusual to see a large man passed out across the pathway, blocking anyone getting past. If you had a pram or bike it would be really uncomfortable to have to rouse a large drunk at 2pm in the afternoon. Most are local men, with a growing amount of middle eastern men. The vast majority of them are unstable.

We see less women out cycling, walking or exercising now, and this encompasses both MC and WC areas. These people seem to have just multiplied and spread across the entire borough and have taken over all public space.
We live in a decent area that is now seeming to go downhill.
It isn't unusual to see day drinkers sat alone, surrounded by cans on a quiet residential street. And they won't move to let you past.

It's really depressing.

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justasking111 · 14/06/2025 15:35

Slatterndisgrace · 14/06/2025 15:31

That does sound idyllic! I’d love to move somewhere remote with land.

Well a couple of miles down the road when it rains heavily the stream becomes a river which rises over the bridge flooding the area which means you can't get into town so you're stuck until it subsides.

Slatterndisgrace · 14/06/2025 15:31

justasking111 · 14/06/2025 15:30

There's a council property in a hamlet near us that has stables, and land, but it's very rural. Oil tank for heating, septic tank for ablutions. A friend works for council said it's idyllic but not wanted because of its location.

Some of these old council properties were presumably for farm workers with big families. Built of quarried stone, they'd be popular with some private buyers.

That does sound idyllic! I’d love to move somewhere remote with land.

justasking111 · 14/06/2025 15:30

There's a council property in a hamlet near us that has stables, and land, but it's very rural. Oil tank for heating, septic tank for ablutions. A friend works for council said it's idyllic but not wanted because of its location.

Some of these old council properties were presumably for farm workers with big families. Built of quarried stone, they'd be popular with some private buyers.

PandoraSocks · 14/06/2025 15:19

Parsley1234 · 14/06/2025 15:14

look it up on benefit rates you’ll be surprised I worked for the DWP and saw it every day

Bollocks.

I worked for the DWP, back when benefits were actually far more generous than they are now (no benefits cap, no two child cap etc, no LHA limit) and I never came across anyone who would have been able to keep ponies.

Eta: apart from one or two travellers, but most of them didn't keep horses or ponies.

Parsley1234 · 14/06/2025 15:14

look it up on benefit rates you’ll be surprised I worked for the DWP and saw it every day

Gonehome56 · 14/06/2025 15:10

This sounds completely like one town about 10 miles from me. Always had a reputation but has just unravelled completely. We noticed it in lockdown and moved out .... The decline has been scarily quick. Other towns that are close are going the same way to a degree.

Parsley1234 · 14/06/2025 15:04

Enhanced disability is £400 per child £295 per child if disability two child cap is disregarded
Re the money for rent she is covered and has ponies in diy livery

bipbopdo · 14/06/2025 15:01

Parsley1234 · 14/06/2025 14:56

@bipbopdo 5 ponies I think so

5 ponies and 5 children? Unless there’s some additional income somewhere and land, I highly doubt anyone is able to afford it on £3500 per month (even if it’s possible to get that much). Also, aren’t horses considered assets when applying for benefits? They’re considered assets for tax purposes.

Boredlass · 14/06/2025 15:01

I live in the NE. It’s a shithole. Crime is rife and police do nothing. I’d move tomorrow if I could.

Slatterndisgrace · 14/06/2025 14:57

Parsley1234 · 14/06/2025 14:45

@PandoraSocks
£700 per child with disability plus adult and rent allowance perfectly achievable if diy

£700 per child?

PandoraSocks · 14/06/2025 14:57

Parsley1234 · 14/06/2025 14:45

@PandoraSocks
£700 per child with disability plus adult and rent allowance perfectly achievable if diy

Does the LHA really meet the full costs of renting properties with multiple stables?

Parsley1234 · 14/06/2025 14:56

bipbopdo · 14/06/2025 14:55

That’s still not enough to keep a family and multiple horses on

@bipbopdo 5 ponies I think so

bipbopdo · 14/06/2025 14:55

Parsley1234 · 14/06/2025 14:45

@PandoraSocks
£700 per child with disability plus adult and rent allowance perfectly achievable if diy

That’s still not enough to keep a family and multiple horses on

Parsley1234 · 14/06/2025 14:45

@PandoraSocks
£700 per child with disability plus adult and rent allowance perfectly achievable if diy

Sabire9 · 14/06/2025 14:20

@nothingquitelikeathreadhighjack

"If you look at how language and maths were taught before the 60s, it explains why literacy and competence levels were so much higher then - but it is true also that there was a lack of time for free expression. It would have been better to introduce half a day of free expression and keep half a day of bums on seats rather than just stop teaching academic work!"

I'm going to guess you haven't been in a state school for the past 30 years and have no idea at all about the curriculum or modern teaching methods.

Also - there's no evidence of an increase in illiteracy since the 1950's.

Sabire9 · 14/06/2025 14:15

nothingquitelikeathreadhighjack · 14/06/2025 13:43

So you are saying that yes, offers are to do with DEI not merit now? If so, what sort of percentage?

In relation to your last two paragraphs, the focus should be on raising academic standards throughout at school level, and then for all to be seen on a level playing ground at universities and in careers without messing around with standards.

Edited

That's not really how DEI works.

DEI is about removing barriers to employment opportunities for minorities. There is never a requirement to hire someone who isn't qualified or suitable for a post on the strength of protected characteristics.

"In relation to your last two paragraphs, the focus should be on raising academic standards throughout at school level, and then for all to be seen on a level playing ground at universities and in careers without messing around with standards."

State schools get roughly 7K per year per pupil. Average private school fees are now 15K a year at secondary. State schools have class sizes roughly double the size of the average class in private school.

Are you going to argue that it's either possible or probable that in our lifetimes there's going to be support for a doubling of the spend on education for the state sector, to match the resources that are lavished on kids in private schools, in order to remove the rationale for universities making contextual offers?

Of course you know that's nonsense - it will never happen.

And until we have equality of opportunity for young people universities need to take a student's potential and not just their attainment into account in admissions processes.

TheignT · 14/06/2025 14:14

PandoraSocks · 14/06/2025 14:10

This post made me laugh. I have visions of 5 children sitting round the kitchen table alongside their ponies with mum and dad teaching children and ponies the times table.

I doubt even people getting benefits for 5 disabled kids could afford multiple ponies, unless they had other sources of income?

Not to mention how hard it is to get a diagnosis for children if you read it the threads on here.

nothingquitelikeathreadhighjack · 14/06/2025 14:12

justasking111 · 14/06/2025 13:56

Successive governments have starved education of funds. In Wales however there's no bloody excuse we've had labour Senedd for 26 years. But Starmer has kicked us into the long grass. Perhaps because he thinks rightly that we couldn't organise a piss up in a brewery.

The kids that did well in my children's time and the kids that do well in my grandchildren time all have one thing in common. Parents that care and uphold standards from not dropping litter to being involved enough to read with their children every night, research extra help online, bitesize, YouTube for other subjects.

And yes they all work full time before anyone raises the time poor argument. Although it would help if parents weren't so time poor.

I think parents who are on the case make a huge difference, but the curriculum and how the curriculum is taught also extremely relevant. We have been hit with progressive thought on and off since the 60s. In my primary school, all teaching of maths and language stopped overnight in the name of progressive thought, thinking we all needed to be creative not to be taught rules (after a couple of years of this I moved schools)

If you look at how language and maths were taught before the 60s, it explains why literacy and competence levels were so much higher then - but it is true also that there was a lack of time for free expression. It would have been better to introduce half a day of free expression and keep half a day of bums on seats rather than just stop teaching academic work!

How disruptive behaviour is managed in schools is also relevant. Parents' input again relevant here, but how schools manage behaviour and help children who are behind is also relevant. Far more needs to be done in relation to helping children who are behind at the start of senior school to catch up. Most of the kids with disruptive behaviour are also behind, so looking at that link and finding solutions would be a good idea.

PandoraSocks · 14/06/2025 14:10

Parsley1234 · 13/06/2025 18:42

I think there’s also a liberal attitude of anything goes and if you say anything you’re seen as judgemental or a snob. If your kid has a classified disability eg autism the two child cap doesn’t affect you hence one woman I know 5 kids all on autism pathway all home edded with ponies

This post made me laugh. I have visions of 5 children sitting round the kitchen table alongside their ponies with mum and dad teaching children and ponies the times table.

I doubt even people getting benefits for 5 disabled kids could afford multiple ponies, unless they had other sources of income?

MasterBeth · 14/06/2025 14:06

nothingquitelikeathreadhighjack · 14/06/2025 13:43

So you are saying that yes, offers are to do with DEI not merit now? If so, what sort of percentage?

In relation to your last two paragraphs, the focus should be on raising academic standards throughout at school level, and then for all to be seen on a level playing ground at universities and in careers without messing around with standards.

Edited

Do you believe a university student from a background of care with no parental support coming from a challenging school faces a level playing field at university with a privileged student from a supportive background and family coming from an academic school?

Slatterndisgrace · 14/06/2025 14:04

MasterBeth · 14/06/2025 14:01

No.

I don't have two separate accounts.

Apologies if is too difficult for you to follow a conversation thread on Mumsnet.

You’re obviously enraged about something but I don’t care.

MasterBeth · 14/06/2025 14:01

Slatterndisgrace · 14/06/2025 13:44

Are you posting from two separate accounts on this thread, I suspect you are.

No.

I don't have two separate accounts.

Apologies if is too difficult for you to follow a conversation thread on Mumsnet.

justasking111 · 14/06/2025 13:56

nothingquitelikeathreadhighjack · 14/06/2025 13:43

So you are saying that yes, offers are to do with DEI not merit now? If so, what sort of percentage?

In relation to your last two paragraphs, the focus should be on raising academic standards throughout at school level, and then for all to be seen on a level playing ground at universities and in careers without messing around with standards.

Edited

Successive governments have starved education of funds. In Wales however there's no bloody excuse we've had labour Senedd for 26 years. But Starmer has kicked us into the long grass. Perhaps because he thinks rightly that we couldn't organise a piss up in a brewery.

The kids that did well in my children's time and the kids that do well in my grandchildren time all have one thing in common. Parents that care and uphold standards from not dropping litter to being involved enough to read with their children every night, research extra help online, bitesize, YouTube for other subjects.

And yes they all work full time before anyone raises the time poor argument. Although it would help if parents weren't so time poor.

Slatterndisgrace · 14/06/2025 13:44

MasterBeth · 14/06/2025 13:40

You have no idea why I'm speaking about this to you?

When you've just agreed with a clearly stated (though nonsense) argument with your own clearly stated (though nonsense) . You can say things. Just don't be surprised when people disagree with you.

Sometimes these people may even TYPE IN CAPITALS. It't doesn't mean you can't say the thing you said..

Are you posting from two separate accounts on this thread, I suspect you are.

nothingquitelikeathreadhighjack · 14/06/2025 13:43

Sabire9 · 14/06/2025 13:14

@nothingquitelikeathreadhighjack

"But just as in some areas we are seeing that a badly apply DEI policy means that people are no longer being selected on merit, or just on merit."

People have never 'just been selected on merit', on a general principle.

Unless you want to argue that what until recently was an enormous over representation of white, privately educated men in positions of power in industry, the military, the judiciary, medicine, politics, and the media, is the result of upper middle class white men being just much more clever and capable than literally every other demographic.

BTW - in relation to student admissions I think you're referring to universities making contextual offers. Most universities make contextual offers to students who have attended state schools with high intakes of disadvantaged pupils, also those who've been in local authority care, or who come from families where nobody has previously accessed higher education. Are you against this?

So you are saying that yes, offers are to do with DEI not merit now? If so, what sort of percentage?

In relation to your last two paragraphs, the focus should be on raising academic standards throughout at school level, and then for all to be seen on a level playing ground at universities and in careers without messing around with standards.

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