AIBU to feel sorry for Wynne Evans?

You are so right, finally someone speaking sense! He is a very calculated individual and a total narcissist. I really hope his new fiancee figures this all out before she marries him so he can't screw over another innocent woman - as someone already mentioned on here, he has already cheated on her. Absolute scum! He doesn't care what his actions do to others.

I may have have some knowledge that suggests he deliberately set up his finances in a way that screwed over his ex wife quite spectacularly and disadvantaged his child. That knowledge does not come from his wife but from a company that helped him to do if anyone is thinking there is bias.
He is not a loveable buffon, believe me.

He didn't realise it was being recorded - only the stills photographers were there at that point and a newspaper reporter who captured it on a phone.

So, no, he wasn't being transparent and in fact ranted about the unfairness of being recorded (on his Facebook page).
Sleazy and also very naive, he was at a press call!

The defense for this man on here is shocking. Also will people stop suggesting Katya was in on this all along and understand that the creep won, the BBC tried to minimise it and she was submissive and did what she was told to keep her job. Katya had already brought the press to Strictly with her cheating and had to go along with whatever the BBC told her to.

WE behaved appallingly and the BBC, again, didn’t step up and protect their female employee but merely made her smile and nod her head through fear.

I agree he should have thought more carefully (or even thought at all).

And it's okay to have different interpretations, that's what's great about this forum!

I think the BBC threw him under the bus because Strictly is already struggling with so many scandals and allegations recently.

They harmed him by not allowing him & Katya's first video after their pre-planned high five and hand move daft experiment.

He wasn't sacked I don't think? His contract wasn't renewed. Which in this case seems important - there were no 'offences' that enabled dismissal, but instead they decided not to renew because of the media narrative surrounding him.

Which seems unfair, as they helped create the 'creep' media narrative and the media just scraped the barrel trying to find other things he'd done/said.

There were ongoing complaints about his comments, only one towards, but many in front of staff members. It seemed he'd turn everything into something sexual. He was warned, but it continued. Apparently he got on really well with Greg Wallace when he was on Masterchef.

Your interpretation is not shared by me, or by his former employers, it seems.

I haven't said he's a monster. I don't think he's a monster. I think he's a low level sex pest who got caught (more than once).

He sure should have thought more carefully.

@TwoBakedOnes I wonder what they were trying to achieve with the groping the waist/bat the hand off “game”. Were they taking the piss out of men who grope women or was Katya teaching girls at home that a ‘no means no’ gesture is just a “joke” and can all be wiped away with an instagram video? because I don’t get what they were trying to achieve if it was a game, what they were hoping the viewers would see. It’s why I don’t believe it was a game and she’s just covering for him.

Except, he didn't.

One word he used as a nickname was taken out of context.

A dumb 'game' he and Katya played backfired.

He sent a sex toy as a joke to a friend (again, dumb, but to a male friend).

He's in the public eye so he should have thought a bit more carefully about all the above, but it hardly makes him a monster.

No, he's not a sex offender. And he's not been charged with any offences, quite rightly. His kind of low-level harassment isn't enough to be illegal.

It is enough to pass the threshold of workplace harassment, however.

Hardly sexual harassment, predatory perversion is it? These words are being bandied around on here.

I don't think I've ever worked anywhere that didn't include the odd rude joke. Lots of them by idiots. The people he was talking to are still his friends.

Let's just keep a sense of perspective, if he gets sacked then I don't have a problem with that, but speaking about him as if he's some sort of sex offender is just stupid.

He made physically and verbally inappropriate, sexually charged, comments and actions in his workplace. It's possibly gross misconduct under UK law i.e. a sacking offence, and certainly enough to be a factor in choosing not to renew his contract.

Chat shit, get banged.

That's exactly the point- he hasn't been a sex pest, he hasn't been accused of anything and had zero complaints against him.

It's all been taken out of context and made up.

He had the same level of vileness thrown towards him as RB and HE (actually, I remember seeing lots of 'apologists' in support of those two but not with Wynne).

It's just reminded me not to believe everything you read and to remember real people are involved.

Russel Brand has been charged with sexual offences. Hugh Edwards has been convicted of them

Wynne Evans hasn't been treated the same as either of those men. Quite rightly. He hasn't been accused of anything illegal. He has been accused of sexual harassment in the workplace and, as a result, has not had certain contracts renewed.

Don't want the consequences? Don't be a sex pest.

Completely agree he was a bit of a twat - which he's 1) fully admitted 2) apologised for.

It's how tabloids are running story after story and not giving a shit about the impact on that person's welfare.

If there are actual substantial complaints or criminality at play then that's the person's fault - Russell Brand, Hugh Edwards etc and they deserve whatever press they get.

But the lines have blurred so much that the likes of Wynne being stupid get exactly the same treatment as the disgusting individuals above, when I agree with PP, it's a scale.

It’s a sliding scale of male celebrities using their position of power to act highly inappropriately. I bet he wouldn’t have done it if he was dancing with one of the male dancers.

He was on prime time family tv when he groped Katya’s waist - even if a male checkout operator in a supermarket did that to a female checkout operator and a customer complained, they would be in trouble.

In this instance it wasn’t just about the woman in question it was about the viewers including children seeing him behave like that.

Yes, it was entirely inappropriate. But not predatory or pervy.

To be fair, dancing involves a lot of physical contact, we don't know where their personal boundaries are. Again, Katya has no problem with Wynne.

Personally I think we need a scale of language for people who tell stupid juvenile jokes and actual sex offenders. The word predator means nothing if it applies to people who have shown no predatory behaviour.

His hand on her stomach didn't look pervy to me. She moved it, fine, she has said publicly that she has no problem with Wynne and missed him when he left, calling him her "darling boy". I think we should be able to let women police their own boundaries and not present them as victims when that's not how they feel. It's patronising to do otherwise.

He made sexually inappropriate comments in a workplace.

He can fuck right off.

Hopefully this will help other women raise their concerns and will make dickhead men think before they act

@TheWonderhorse In most normal places of work he would be in a lot of trouble, if not fired for his behaviour. Buying Sex toys for colleagues and groping women like he did would be classed as sexual harassment in ANY workplace.

Inappropriate language and Katya looking very uncomfortable as Wynne slid his hand around her waist in a very pervy way. Most will be women on here, most of us will know how it feels when a man does that.
Maybe she is at fault too, who actually knows? But it was Saturday night family TV and his behaviour was highly inappropriate. And that was before we all found out what him and Jamie were up to behind the scenes.

Excuse his behaviour if you like, but we need zero tolerance on men like this or more will slip through the net.

What did you see though? Two jokes between friends?

Inappropriate language absolutely but not a predatory perv. Let's keep some perspective.

I'm not leaping to defend, I'm just not prepared to call a man a predator and a perv when the evidence to base that on isn't there. He called Jamie spit roast boy, which is not predatory, it's juvenile.

I've said he was stupid and childish but so were your dismissal of his health issues. You actually said "wah wah". He has been talking about it for years. Here's a link to a 2002 article..

https://www.itv.com/news/wales/2022-03-16/wynne-evans-cried-with-loneliness-in-lockdown-amid-mental-health-struggles

I haven't even the vaguest interest in whether or not you have a dick. Thanks though.

I find it quite bizarre that people are so trusting of the tabloids to be honest

@TheWonderhorse Most of his behaviour happened infront of our eyes on the actual show, and the videos of his and Jamie’s behaviour is also in the public domain. It’s nothing to do with “trusting the tabloids”.