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Great article in the Guardian about wokeism

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inkognitha · 11/06/2025 08:51

https://www.theguardian.com/news/2025/jun/10/how-does-woke-start-winning-again

Good morning everyone.
Today, even the Guardian admits woke isn’t working.

« Yet Progressive Activists’ fatal flaw, the report argues, is that they’re further from mainstream public opinion on cultural issues than they realise. They’re the only group where a majority thinks that immigration should be as high or higher than it is now, and that protecting people from hate speech matters more than defending free speech (a key rationale behind “no debate” – the idea that trans identities aren’t up for discussion – and “no platforming”). They’re also the group most likely to think social change sometimes requires breaking the law, whereas two-thirds of Britons disapprove of protesters blocking roads or gluing themselves to things.
Tryl stresses that being outliers doesn’t invariably make Progressive Activists wrong – perhaps they’re just ahead of the curve, as the suffragettes once were – but it has important tactical implications. His polling shows that Progressive Activists overestimate by a factor of two to three how much others agree with their core beliefs, from abolishing the monarchy to letting children change gender. Consequently they tend to invest too little time on persuasion, focusing instead on mobilising the masses they wrongly imagine are on board. “If you’re reaching out to people, then you’re watering down,” is how Tryl describes this mindset.
While successful campaigns usually build the broadest base possible, Progressive Activists also tend to be purists, rejecting supporters who don’t endorse a complete worldview. (More than a quarter wouldn’t campaign alongside someone who believes – as a majority of Britons do – in Israel’s right to exist, for example.) Their yearning for grand systemic change means they can sound dismissive of other people’s small but well-meaning efforts, and they’re also unusually keen on correcting other people’s “mistakes” on diversity issues, something other groups consider likely to cause embarrassment. »

I hope some of the keyboard warriors/bullies roaming this board and the blue-haired, nose-pierced authoritarians will have a read, and at last, a think on how they do more harm than good.

How does woke start winning again? | Gaby Hinsliff

The long read: British progressives have suffered major setbacks in recent years, in both public opinion and court rulings. Was a backlash inevitable, and are new tactics needed?

https://www.theguardian.com/news/2025/jun/10/how-does-woke-start-winning-again

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Dangermoo · 11/06/2025 09:42

spoonbillstretford · 11/06/2025 09:28

Woke just means not causing deliberate offence or unfairly discriminating against or being prejudiced about group of people. It's not authoritarian or progressive but just about being a basic decent human being.

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It was meant to represent those values, before it was hijacked and manipulated by so called progressives on the left.

spoonbillstretford · 11/06/2025 09:40

WomenShouldStillWinWomensSportsIsBack · 11/06/2025 09:35

Not causing deliberate offence when TRAs tell women they want to punch a TERF. Discriminating against women with genuinely held GC beliefs. Being prejudiced against natal women. Being authoritarian in demanding everyone fight for Palestine over Israel to the point of antisemitism, or demanding everyone stop using cars (like the Bristol SUV tyre slashers who are apparently an environmentalist group).
Sounds really decent. Yeah. 🤔
Way to miss the point there.
And this is the problem OP. They are so convinced they're right that they won't take on board any criticism of the methodology or the attitudes that have turned everyone off them. Even from the Grun.

That's called disagreeing with people who have different views from you.

Wokeism is not a consistent movement consisting of all the people you don't agree with.

It's a concept invented by fat white old men on the internet who want to be racist and sexist and get away with it, and by far right plutocrats and their minions who want to cause hatred, fear and division in society, while pretending to support the poor working class people, while laughing at us and taking more of our money.

WomenShouldStillWinWomensSportsIsBack · 11/06/2025 09:35

spoonbillstretford · 11/06/2025 09:28

Woke just means not causing deliberate offence or unfairly discriminating against or being prejudiced about group of people. It's not authoritarian or progressive but just about being a basic decent human being.

Edited

Not causing deliberate offence when TRAs tell women they want to punch a TERF. Discriminating against women with genuinely held GC beliefs. Being prejudiced against natal women. Being authoritarian in demanding everyone fight for Palestine over Israel to the point of antisemitism, or demanding everyone stop using cars (like the Bristol SUV tyre slashers who are apparently an environmentalist group).
Sounds really decent. Yeah. 🤔
Way to miss the point there.
And this is the problem OP. They are so convinced they're right that they won't take on board any criticism of the methodology or the attitudes that have turned everyone off them. Even from the Grun.

spoonbillstretford · 11/06/2025 09:28

Woke just means not causing deliberate offence or unfairly discriminating against or being prejudiced about group of people. It's not authoritarian or progressive but just about being a basic decent human being.

inkognitha · 11/06/2025 09:28

SlipperyLizard · 11/06/2025 09:22

Interesting that the Guardian has covered this, but Gaby Hinsliff makes her allegiances clear (pro-woke).

She clearly thinks Robert Wintemute deserved to be cancelled (and that Guardian readers would feel the same) for views that (“startlingly” according to Gaby) 50% of the population agree with.

The Guardian is part of the problem and I don’t think this article is a sign that it will be part of the solution.

It’s a lot more self-aware than their usual drivel though.

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TheNoonBell · 11/06/2025 09:27

I did read the article and thought it was a very rare admission of the authoritarian exclusionary nature of woke.

Dangermoo · 11/06/2025 09:25

Srubag · 11/06/2025 09:05

Traditionally the left and Labour were expected to support the working classes and the less economically well off. For the last 30 years they have been using the votes of these groups in order to push a woke agenda. Which is fine, but they haven’t been delivering on better lives for the people whose votes they depend on.

If the left want to progress a progressive agenda then they need to pay back to the people the claim to represent-but really don’t.

Fantastic post.

SlipperyLizard · 11/06/2025 09:22

Interesting that the Guardian has covered this, but Gaby Hinsliff makes her allegiances clear (pro-woke).

She clearly thinks Robert Wintemute deserved to be cancelled (and that Guardian readers would feel the same) for views that (“startlingly” according to Gaby) 50% of the population agree with.

The Guardian is part of the problem and I don’t think this article is a sign that it will be part of the solution.

iliketheradio · 11/06/2025 09:17

Blue haired, nose pierced authoritarians 😂

Dangermoo · 11/06/2025 09:09

I actually had to check my eyes weren't deceiving me, when I read the source was the Guardian. Thanks for sharing OP. A very balanced and thought provoking article.

Srubag · 11/06/2025 09:05

Traditionally the left and Labour were expected to support the working classes and the less economically well off. For the last 30 years they have been using the votes of these groups in order to push a woke agenda. Which is fine, but they haven’t been delivering on better lives for the people whose votes they depend on.

If the left want to progress a progressive agenda then they need to pay back to the people the claim to represent-but really don’t.

inkognitha · 11/06/2025 08:55

Sorry, didn’t mean to add a poll!

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