Dog lovers aren’t animal lovers

Big Mac anyone 😆

I think all the free range animals out enjoying the sunshine in the fields today may disagree with your comments about never seeing sunlight 😉

@CoubousAndTourmalet
Ah, the old you can't take a joke reply. The old ones are the best, eh?

I don’t need to tell myself that, I’ve seen both.

FWIW your comments are just patronising and won’t do anything to help your cause.

Pre stunned slaughter after a lifetime of misery never seeing daylight & a high chance of being abused by the animals that work in those places.

Keep telling yourself that. Factory farmed animals that are bred in vile conditions simply for slaughter are a world away from a natural death in the wild

YANBU. Certain dog breeds are not a pet but a weapon. Ownership needs to be highly regulated, not the current free for all.

Humour about it being a competition. You know. Funny. Irony/sarcasm....?

Oh, silly me! I forgot! Vegans don't do irony/humour, do they...? Everything is literal and robotic. My mistake. As you were 😏

Plenty of drugs have been tested on animals before being prescribed to humans.

Before is the important word here. It should never have been done but it has and the drugs exist.

Agreed. Most of us can have a positive impact on the planet without being too evangelical about it. And yes, you CAN pick and choose based on what suits your lifestyle best. If that was the main message, people would be more inclined to do something.

No we are not. You may be but no one else is. Anyway, none of it matters really, the world as we know it is fecked and turning your heating down a notch and not driving a car is not going to make the slightest bit of difference.

Why is eating meat any different to taking advantage of modern medicine to cure illness? Plenty of drugs have been tested on animals before being prescribed to humans. We live in an imperfect world and if being vegan makes you feel better about your impact on the planet, then that's great. Life is short and people should be encouraged to live in a way which makes them happy, but I think trying to claim some kind of moral superiority for not eating meat is a little odd.

You make out the bacon fairy sneaks in in the middle of the night and puts them to sleep without any suffering.

Absolutely nobody has said anything of the sort.

There’s also rarely ever such a thing as death without suffering - unfortunately that’s part of life. FWIW I’ve seen videos of slaughterhouses and live surrounded by farms - it doesn’t put me off eating meat in the slightest 🤷‍♀️

Just like many parents don’t like children in general, only their own as part of themselves, and often let them run riot in restaurants and other inappropriate places.

Depends. Does the Vegan regularly consume imported avocados and products containing palm oil?

Yep, I do think anyone who has children or goes abroad and is also banging on about how we need to eat a vegan diet to save the planet is being massively hypocritical.

Go vegan by all means, but don’t act like you’re doing it to save the planet when you made the decision to reproduce 🫣

You make out the bacon fairy sneaks in in the middle of the night and puts them to sleep without any suffering.
I did nothing of the sort.

Putting words into the mouths of other people doesn't help your case at all.

Oh, are we having a competition for who has less impact on the planet? Jolly good!

Here's my entry.
No kids
No car (though partner has an old Skoda estate)
No tv or smartphone.
I've never once been on a plane in my entire life!
But I've lived with dogs for 50 years.
I'm vegetarian but my dog is not.

Am I really harming the ecosystem more than a vegan with two kids and a car, just because I buy local cheese and local milk and feed my dog a bit of kibble?

I have to say if you have kids, I don't see how you can really claim to care about other animals or the environment. The main challenge many animals face is lack of living space because so much of it has been taken over by humans. Adding to that number isn't going to help. Also most humans go on to have children and no one know how those children or their children's children are going to turn out: they could be massive carnivores.

I was feeling bad about having a dog but what would be the option for her? I do think about feeding her a vegan diet but I'm not convinced and vegan food is not cruelty free anyway. So my only option would be to put her to sleep. And I'm not going to do that. She does eat other animals but I am unconvinced that animals are being killed for pet food. There must be so much of the carcass left after humans have taken what they want. Which brings me back to kids. That's what we need to stop. Humans breeding or breeding in the numbers that they do at least.

They get carted onto a lorry, packed in like sardines. Often travelling great distances to then queue up with the smell of blood and the sounds of other animals in great distress.

It is a horrible distressing procedure. Lucky if they are stunned first what with all the halal that has seeped in to our supermarket shelves most aren't stunned they are hung upside down and bleed to death.

You make out the bacon fairy sneaks in in the middle of the night and puts them to sleep without any suffering.

Eat meat if you must but do watch clips of slaughterhouse procedure just so you're fully informed of what suffering goes into your greasy burgers and bacon butties.

Exactly, it’s not like animals die a lovely, peaceful death in the natural world.

Everything that lives, dies.
There are far worse ways to go than pre-stunned slaughter.

NB Patronising people is not a good way to get them onside.

What a nasty post. Enjoy eating that KFC after the chicken sat in its own poo and then was gassed ( all the time probably posting about your fur baby on Instagram)

Keep telling yourself that dearie. While you're convincing yourself take at look at some abattoir footage & then say you're an animal lover.

"We can indeed all be vegan in this country, if we wanted to. Stop being so defeatist."

No we can't, and it is ableist to suggest so.