AIBU to be utterly baffled at how many people are falling for Reform after the Brexit mess?

@reesewithoutaspoon It doesn't sound like she has much empathy or humanity. I think Reform's core message is sociopathic if its encouraging shooting people, stripping us off human rights, stopping aid and zero social care. It's incredibly individualistic like Thatcherism on steroids.

My mother voted reform. I can only give her reasons.
She has no interest in politics really, she doesn't understand balancing an economy an ageing population,and increasing health costs, social care etc etc. she thinks that problems can be solved by simple solutions.( She also has gbeebies on a loop).
Too many boat people, simply take them back to France or shoot the boats out of the water.
This apparently would save millions to spend on NHS.
Stop foreign aid, even though we use that soft power to garner good relations,trade deals and to prevent immigration.thats no concern to her.
Get out of the echr, because it's stopping us sending migrants back, even though those rights protect her too.
Social care issues, just stop paying and their family will have to take them.
Theres absolutely no thought about what impact this would have, she thinks it's simple to solve and politicians just don't want to.
Farage is the king of soundbites and simple solutions, so she likes him.
Theres no way you can persuade her otherwise, she's not interested.

People won’t all align with Labour mners on here, clearly. Fortunately they get a vote to use as they wish.

But often they don’t. As the Reform voters in the ten councils they won are already discovering.

People do vote in line with their interests. They’re just not all the same view as Labour voters. That’s fine we all get one vote, not someone else’s too.

I'm not going to get into the debate about education and reform but what I have noticed over the last 24 hours is some horrendous comments on social media about yesterday's plane crash .... particularly about the sole survivor.

British - he's not British with a name like that
Bet he hung onto the wheels
He's trying to get into the UK, then he'll bring the lot of them over

... and on and on. Thoroughly depressing to read 🙁. And when you click on their profile 9/10 they have illiterate posts cheering on Reform.

So here is a question… should we vote on which politicians we think are least likely to lie and most likely to deliver? (Ha!)

Or do we vote based solely on policies alone and hope they materialise?

Do I know how that feels! I could never understand why people get voting against their own interests. It wasn't until we were knee deep in rubble that people decided the Tories were no longer working.

https://pledgeprogress.co.uk/

And still four years to go. 🤷‍♀️

Agree. Support has dropped. If not they’d be on the same level as the GE.

i voted reform in the last GE and the local elections. I would vote for them again.

part if it is because I honestly couldn’t stand to vote for anyone else.

the stuck up rhetoric around all reform voters being oiks or far right thugs is also very divisive and pushes people even further away from the mainstream parties.

Which right wing parties do I support Blossomtoes? I will absolutely accept that all politicians lie. What I find harder to swallow is that those who support Reform are any more or less hoodwinked than the gullible fools who thought Labour was actually going to deliver on their manifesto.

I don’t think there’s much buyers’ remorse. Reform seems to be swelling its ranks by picking up the few remaining Tory votes.

Perhaps if they had employed some critical thinking skills and were capable of distilling the true nature of the impending government, the realities of the economic climate and the zest for policy driven by ideology, there wouldn't be so much buyer's remorse?

We could trade them all day but what would it accomplish? Maybe we should just agree that all political parties are hypocritical liars and use slogans and have done for 200 years? It’s a bit rich for anyone who supports right wing parties to accuse anyone of lying after three years of Johnson - maybe he told a different kind of lie.

I just feel really bad for the voters who were hoodwinked by Labour rhetoric, mistaking their words for their principles.

😁Am I taking up too much internet with the hypocritical and outright lying Labour slogans?

How about it? Are we going to fill the thread with the various catch phrases used by politicians of all colours going back to the French Revolution?

How about: 'Dignity and security for disabled people'? Which was doing the rounds in 2001.

Three-word slogans have a long history. The French revolutionaries were inspired by “Liberty, equality, fraternity”. Another New Labour effort was “Forward Not Back”, the slogan for the 2005 election, possibly not so memorable but it served its purpose. “Yes We Can” was Barack Obama’s more inspiring formula in 2008 and 2012. Donald Trump showed he could make it work for the other side with “Lock Her Up”.

Money in your pocket 😅
Inherited

Every interview is a script.

Working people first (brings a tear to my eye that one 😅)
Country before party
Grown ups back in charge
Promises made, promises delivered

I wasn't pinning it to any particular party. Just the dumbing down of politics in general. I used to think that Farage didn't have a cat in hells chance of becoming PM, now I'm not so sure.

Every political party uses them and always has. This is one of Thatcher’s.

Labour uses slogans too. Smash the gangs, further and faster, difficult decisions on repeat.

Some drift away as they can’t do them.