Please or to access all these features

AIBU?

Share your dilemmas and get honest opinions from other Mumsnetters.

AIBU to be utterly baffled at how many people are falling for Reform after the Brexit mess?

362 replies

TheCoralShaker · 10/06/2025 22:20

I’m not into any political party or ideology – honestly, they all seem like varying shades of grifters to me – but I just can't believe how many people are jumping on the Reform bandwagon like it's some magic fix.

After everything that happened with Brexit – the lies, the infighting, the broken promises, the economic fallout we’re still wading through – how are people still falling for this kind of simplistic, shouty politics? The "common sense" soundbites, the "tell it like it is" nonsense, the constant scapegoating of whatever group is most convenient that week... it's all so transparent.

I'm not saying any of the main parties are perfect (far from it), but Reform seems to be just a bunch of media-savvy populists spouting whatever will get the loudest headlines. What’s worrying is how many people lap it up without even questioning what’s actually being proposed, or whether it’s remotely feasible.

Where are the critical thinking skills? Why are people so easily seduced by these pantomime figures who tap into anger and offer no real substance? It’s like the more outrageous someone is, the more they’re celebrated, and never mind whether any of it makes sense.

I get that people are frustrated, disillusioned, sick of the status quo, so am I. But falling for another bunch of opportunists who thrive on division and offer nothing beyond slogans seems like doubling down on the same mistake.

AIBU to think that we should have learned by now? Or is this just how politics is going to be from now on, performative outrage and no actual plan?

OP posts:
Thread gallery
6
Fordian · 10/06/2025 23:03

I read the OP and cut straight to the end. ‘The People’, those who voted Leave, are still being shielded financially from the consequences of their action. As a result, they still do not understand what they did; because they can’t understand why their lives weren’t instantly improved.

The ‘Leave Deliverer in Chief’ has cleverly spotted an ongoing opportunity. ‘Reform will deliver where Brexit failed you’.

Do not underestimate the drunken, feudal, cap-doffing, woefully undereducated Anglo-Saxon peasantry.

FridayNightFever · 10/06/2025 23:00

You've answered your question yourself... Critical thinking skills are severely lacking in large swathes of the population. It's that simple - many, many people believe what they read/hear in soundbites, election propaganda, social media posts and tabloid media, without critically evaluating what they've taken in.

TooBigForMyBoots · 10/06/2025 22:57

By the time the next GE comes round Trump will have totally wrecked the USA and made RW politics untouchable.

And Reform will have failed their voters badly. They're already imploding as a party and ballsing up the councils they've won.

Chocolateorange22 · 10/06/2025 22:57

I just hope that Reform make that much of a hash of local government that it makes people stand up and think oh shit maybe we won't vote for them again.

MasterBeth · 10/06/2025 22:56

Fuck me, AI, she says?!!!

Hulabalu · 10/06/2025 22:54

I think people have lost faith in the mainstream parties and want change , but I don’t think the Reform party is the answer . I am not sure what is tbh! But government after government has messed up We need some great minds , a think tank or even AI to come up with a strategy to fix the UK, take into consideration all the problems and concerns everyone has, what a vision for good looks like for everyone and come up with solutions!

TheCoralShaker · 10/06/2025 22:54

senua · 10/06/2025 22:52

There's no reasoning with stupid
You won't persuade people to vote for you by sneering at them.

I'm not a politician so not asking anyone to vote for me or any particular party. But there are a lot of stupid voters out there who don't look at the evidence

OP posts:
senua · 10/06/2025 22:52

There's no reasoning with stupid
You won't persuade people to vote for you by sneering at them.

JHound · 10/06/2025 22:52

Protest votes.

And a lot refuse to believe Brexit was a mistake

MasterBeth · 10/06/2025 22:52

edwinbear · 10/06/2025 22:35

They’re disruptors - and we desperately need that in British politics at the moment. Are they capable of running the country? Of course not. Can they get our ‘real’ politicians (across all parties) to sort their shit out? I really hope so.

Fuck me, the "disruptors" caused Brexit, the most ridiculous self-destructive own goal a nation ever voted for (until, maybe, America voted for "disruptor" Trump).

The ""disruptors" are self-serving elite bankers and billionaires whose policies lead to more money for those at the top of society and a discarded, divided underclass.

They are the last thing we need. We need consensus, collegiate politics if we are to face down the challenges of the demotic and the climate crisis.

Wirdle · 10/06/2025 22:52

A lot of people are a lot thicker than you imagine.

TheCoralShaker · 10/06/2025 22:51

DrCoconut · 10/06/2025 22:48

I'm surprised that more hasn't been made of Farage's comments about giving more tax breaks to married people and reducing women's reproductive rights. While he's not yet proposing Gilead there is definitely an undertone to it all that should have people far more worried than they seem to be. Then there are his comments about moving the NHS to an insurance based system, proposals to remove the equality act and leave the ECHR and more. Why are people not seriously scared of this man taking power? Yes, the mainstream parties are not great. But they are more moderate and less of a risk to us all.

Farage will be answering to the US Christian right on things like abortion rights etc. He doesn't have normal peoples interests at heart, just his and his masters

OP posts:
TheCoralShaker · 10/06/2025 22:49

AaaahBlandsHatch · 10/06/2025 22:47

They genuinely think that Brexit either hasn't been done, or would have been a shining triumph if only we'd done X/Y/Z. Often while simultaneously denying that it hasn't been a shining triumph. These are not serious people.

"Belief in Brexit" basically has nothing to do with the reality of things that actually happen, it's just a cult, a catechism, a way to belong to a tribe. At heart, you have to be stupid and/or gullible to have voted for Brexit, and stupid and/or gullible to vote for Reform. And there are millions of such people.

Yes you've nailed it. It's a cult mentality, a bit like MAGA in US. There's no reasoning with stupid

OP posts:
DrCoconut · 10/06/2025 22:48

I'm surprised that more hasn't been made of Farage's comments about giving more tax breaks to married people and reducing women's reproductive rights. While he's not yet proposing Gilead there is definitely an undertone to it all that should have people far more worried than they seem to be. Then there are his comments about moving the NHS to an insurance based system, proposals to remove the equality act and leave the ECHR and more. Why are people not seriously scared of this man taking power? Yes, the mainstream parties are not great. But they are more moderate and less of a risk to us all.

TheCoralShaker · 10/06/2025 22:48

baggybags · 10/06/2025 22:42

A lot of people dislike the truth/reality so when someone is saying it's all the fault of the boat people they buy into it.

Sick of the boat people being brought up all the time. Or this week it's women in burgas. It's never billionaires or massive corporations, they just pick a marginalised group to be the villain

OP posts:
AaaahBlandsHatch · 10/06/2025 22:47

They genuinely think that Brexit either hasn't been done, or would have been a shining triumph if only we'd done X/Y/Z. Often while simultaneously denying that it hasn't been a shining triumph. These are not serious people.

"Belief in Brexit" basically has nothing to do with the reality of things that actually happen, it's just a cult, a catechism, a way to belong to a tribe. At heart, you have to be stupid and/or gullible to have voted for Brexit, and stupid and/or gullible to vote for Reform. And there are millions of such people.

TheCoralShaker · 10/06/2025 22:46

IdaGlossop · 10/06/2025 22:42

Sorry OP. You're making the mistake of expecting people to apply critical thinking to their political choices. So many don't. It's about emotion. In hope or desperation, people hear what they want to hear and say 'Labour and the Conservatives have failed. We may as well vote for this lot and give them a go.'

Farage, sadly for his detractors, is an absolutely brilliant communicator, with no other politician coming close. He has the knack of homing in on what resonates with lots of people - immigration, British people failed by successive governments, wokery leading to nonsensical decisions, British values under attack from Islam, billions spent on illegal immigrants, Brexit betrayed. It's a complicated story of national struggle made simple, and it's one that populist politicians are telling across the West.

But Farage leaves out big chunks of the story, eg long history of poor gov policy decisions that mean the rich (like him) have got richer and living standards suffer. He hones in on immigrants as they're a handy scapegoat. He talks about 'elites' - he IS the elite! You don't have to be rocket scientist to see this

OP posts:
SummerEve · 10/06/2025 22:45

TheCoralShaker · 10/06/2025 22:39

I do think social media echo chambers play a part. I have a relative who wasn't really ever into politics but now sounds like Tommy Robinson when he talks about immigration. It's all from online stuff

Yep. I spend an awful lot of time trying to counter this type of narrative on social media and get non stop abuse from people who really are regurgitating absolute bilge. They don’t even understand what they are saying half the time.

KeepTalkingBeth · 10/06/2025 22:45

edwinbear · 10/06/2025 22:35

They’re disruptors - and we desperately need that in British politics at the moment. Are they capable of running the country? Of course not. Can they get our ‘real’ politicians (across all parties) to sort their shit out? I really hope so.

Yes well we got told that Brexit was a protest vote but guess what it won the referendum and we left the EU. The country had been struggling since the recession and since brexit it's going downhill even faster.

I don't think we need any more disrupting, just capable politicians with a sense of duty, some honesty and a long-term plan that doesn't involve austerity. They are in very short supply, it seems.

baggybags · 10/06/2025 22:42

A lot of people dislike the truth/reality so when someone is saying it's all the fault of the boat people they buy into it.

IdaGlossop · 10/06/2025 22:42

Sorry OP. You're making the mistake of expecting people to apply critical thinking to their political choices. So many don't. It's about emotion. In hope or desperation, people hear what they want to hear and say 'Labour and the Conservatives have failed. We may as well vote for this lot and give them a go.'

Farage, sadly for his detractors, is an absolutely brilliant communicator, with no other politician coming close. He has the knack of homing in on what resonates with lots of people - immigration, British people failed by successive governments, wokery leading to nonsensical decisions, British values under attack from Islam, billions spent on illegal immigrants, Brexit betrayed. It's a complicated story of national struggle made simple, and it's one that populist politicians are telling across the West.

TheCoralShaker · 10/06/2025 22:42

Daphnise · 10/06/2025 22:41

Still beefing about Brexit?
Still thinking people other than you vote the "Wrong" way?

Tell me the concrete benefits of Brexit then? I'd love to see the list

OP posts:
Mydogiscuter · 10/06/2025 22:42

I listened to The Rest is Politics and Alistair Campbell was talking to a guy he met who was a reform member. He basically said that he knew Farage would be a terrible PM and he wasn't under the expectation that they would be in Government but he needed there to be something different to make the other parties make a change.

Daphnise · 10/06/2025 22:41

Still beefing about Brexit?
Still thinking people other than you vote the "Wrong" way?

TheCoralShaker · 10/06/2025 22:39

SummerEve · 10/06/2025 22:38

Yes, I think a lot of them do. One of the real concerns at the moment is the amount of people, despite all that has gone on both here and in the US, that still actively endorse and champion this sort of populist ideology.

I do think social media echo chambers play a part. I have a relative who wasn't really ever into politics but now sounds like Tommy Robinson when he talks about immigration. It's all from online stuff

OP posts: