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NHS refusing treatment to child who attends private school.

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floralcarpets · 09/06/2025 15:21

https://www.standard.co.uk/news/london/boy-denied-treatment-nhs-hospital-private-school-kingston-richmond-b1231805.html

AIBU to think this is disgraceful? The mum is likely paying loads of tax which goes towards the NHS and pays for state schools, yet her child is this treatment which they sound like they desperately need.

Outrage as boy, 8, refused NHS treatment 'for going to private school'

Mother blames Labour's VAT raid on private school fees for emboldening the NHS to deny her son help with his crippling joint condition

https://www.standard.co.uk/news/london/boy-denied-treatment-nhs-hospital-private-school-kingston-richmond-b1231805.html

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pinkpopcorn123 · 09/06/2025 22:09

DuncinToffee · 09/06/2025 21:47

It's in the Children and Families Act 2014

You have had more than a decade to lobby against it

True. I haven’t needed the services so wasn’t fully aware of the extent of services covered by this policy. By adding VAT labour have drawn attention to it.

Kirbert2 · 09/06/2025 22:07

SoSoLong · 09/06/2025 22:04

Do show me where, on this NHS website, underneath the big NHS logo at the top, it says this is an LEA funded clinic.

https://www.kingstonandrichmond.nhs.uk/services/service-search-z/occupational-therapy-children-richmond

In the link.

''Children and young people of school age can be referred via their School SENCo for assessment if they attend a state-funded Richmond school and have a Richmond or Kingston address''

The state funded bit might be a clue.

Beebeedoo · 09/06/2025 22:04

SoSoLong · 09/06/2025 21:57

I've read the thread, thank you very much. Just because the setup is lawful doesn't change the fact that the law is unfair. As I said, it's an operating model designed to discriminate.

agree

Beebeedoo · 09/06/2025 22:04

godmum56 · 09/06/2025 21:56

Do you never RTFT?

I have and i still think this is wrong

SoSoLong · 09/06/2025 22:01

CleverButScatty · 09/06/2025 21:58

The whole concept of private schools discriminates against those who can't afford it.

You are happy with Theo's when it benefits you, and you are complaining now you are on the receiving end.

I've got literally no skin in the game, never needed occupational therapy and got private healthcare anyway.

godmum56 · 09/06/2025 22:01

SoSoLong · 09/06/2025 21:57

I've read the thread, thank you very much. Just because the setup is lawful doesn't change the fact that the law is unfair. As I said, it's an operating model designed to discriminate.

Private schools cannot hop into LEA schools and take or make use of the stuff paid for by the LEA. If they want more chairs, a swimming teacher, if they run out of loo rolls, they can't just go and take from the LEA supplies or take from the LEA budget to buy them. Children who go to private schools can access NHS funded services via NHS routes.

Kirbert2 · 09/06/2025 22:00

SoSoLong · 09/06/2025 21:57

I've read the thread, thank you very much. Just because the setup is lawful doesn't change the fact that the law is unfair. As I said, it's an operating model designed to discriminate.

It isn't unfair when state schools have opted in for its services but not all private schools do. That's down to the private schools that don't opt in and parents who opt out of state school funding.

CleverButScatty · 09/06/2025 21:58

SoSoLong · 09/06/2025 21:57

I've read the thread, thank you very much. Just because the setup is lawful doesn't change the fact that the law is unfair. As I said, it's an operating model designed to discriminate.

The whole concept of private schools discriminates against those who can't afford it.

You are happy with Theo's when it benefits you, and you are complaining now you are on the receiving end.

godmum56 · 09/06/2025 21:57

SoSoLong · 09/06/2025 21:55

If the LEA paid a private provider for these services, fair enough. What is happening in this case is that you've got an NHS clinic (not a private clinic within the NHS, an actual NHS branded clinic) refusing access to kids outside state schools. If this clinic said they only offer services to private schools, there'd be an outcry, regardless of how much money changed hands.

nope read ALL the words. This is an LEA funded clinic operating in an NHS building. The service is paid for from LEA funds not NHS funds

SoSoLong · 09/06/2025 21:57

Kirbert2 · 09/06/2025 21:54

Read the thread. Multiple people have explained many, many times now.

I've read the thread, thank you very much. Just because the setup is lawful doesn't change the fact that the law is unfair. As I said, it's an operating model designed to discriminate.

CleverButScatty · 09/06/2025 21:57

SpidersAreShitheads · 09/06/2025 20:09

Who is responsible for the Advisory Teacher? Are they employed by the LA?

In our area, we have the Advisory Teaching Service. They are a department within the LA and come into state schools to provide advice for SEN children. In our area that includes all types of disabilities, including hearing impairments, but not exclusively so.

State schools have to "buy" services from the LA. They get a certain number of credits every year and if they exceed that, they have to buy more or else wait until they are given more credits. It's all part of the state funding package. State schools don't just get it for free.

Private schools don't get any credits so they would have to buy referrals in the same way.

It's the same principle.

The problem is that most private schools won't do this for their pupils. That's the issue here. Many - not all - private schools aren't really that interested in children with SEN or disabilities.

Its a bough in service. The state schools are buying it in, the private school isn't. My child cNt go to private school if I don't pay fees, yours can't have advisory teacher time paid for by the state schools.
Your child's private school can but the service in. If our child has an EHCP it might form part of section F provision in which case the LA would fund it. But if they don't qualify for an EHCP the schools (like state schools) fund it themselves.

TheAmusedQuail · 09/06/2025 21:56

AnonForThisPost · 09/06/2025 20:29

@Jasp3ru as it happens my DC’s (excellent) private school did agree to pay for one visit a year. And we’ve had no issues with their SEN support for my DC - so please don’t generalise.

My DC's SEN tutor explained to me that most private school SEN parents pay three times for their children's education. In their taxes, school fees and then tutoring fees to top-up what the private school doesn't provide.

You have been lucky (or chose well!) with your indy school.

godmum56 · 09/06/2025 21:56

Beebeedoo · 09/06/2025 21:16

So if your child goes to a private school you cant access Nhs treatment? wow labour snuck that one in, apparently in November

Do you never RTFT?

SoSoLong · 09/06/2025 21:55

drspouse · 09/06/2025 21:36

The LEA provides educational services to those in state schools, paid for by the schools.
The private school could also commission the services.

If the LEA paid a private provider for these services, fair enough. What is happening in this case is that you've got an NHS clinic (not a private clinic within the NHS, an actual NHS branded clinic) refusing access to kids outside state schools. If this clinic said they only offer services to private schools, there'd be an outcry, regardless of how much money changed hands.

Kirbert2 · 09/06/2025 21:54

SoSoLong · 09/06/2025 21:50

Why should private schools pay for NHS services that everyone should be entitled to? It doesn't matter whether you agree with the fairness or otherwise of private schools, this is about access to NHS services through an NHS clinic.

Read the thread. Multiple people have explained many, many times now.

SoSoLong · 09/06/2025 21:50

Kirbert2 · 09/06/2025 21:45

Private schools can pay for the services should they wish to do so, if they don't then it is on them.

A parent such as the one in the link using private school and then complaining about things not being fair is actually laughable.

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Why should private schools pay for NHS services that everyone should be entitled to? It doesn't matter whether you agree with the fairness or otherwise of private schools, this is about access to NHS services through an NHS clinic.

DuncinToffee · 09/06/2025 21:47

pinkpopcorn123 · 09/06/2025 21:44

This is the operational model chosen by the government. These services could easily fall under NHS services if things were configured differently. Perhaps private school parents need a contract from the government when they chose to leave state education detailing what services they will longer be entitled to?

It's in the Children and Families Act 2014

You have had more than a decade to lobby against it

ReplacementBusService · 09/06/2025 21:47

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drspouse · 09/06/2025 21:46

pinkpopcorn123 · 09/06/2025 21:44

This is the operational model chosen by the government. These services could easily fall under NHS services if things were configured differently. Perhaps private school parents need a contract from the government when they chose to leave state education detailing what services they will longer be entitled to?

Chosen by the Tory government, yes.

Kirbert2 · 09/06/2025 21:45

SoSoLong · 09/06/2025 21:32

Seems to me it's an operating model designed to discriminate against non-state school kids. So many people saying the LEA pays for this service. The LEA is funded from public money. The NHS is funded from public money. The LEA paying the NHS is an accounting gimmick for the government - like me taking a tenner out of my left pocket and putting it in my right one. All children are entitled to LEA and NHS services, however poor they are. Yet here we've got an NHS clinic, funded from public money, that only provides services to state school children. And people think that's fair.

Private schools can pay for the services should they wish to do so, if they don't then it is on them.

A parent such as the one in the link using private school and then complaining about things not being fair is actually laughable.

pinkpopcorn123 · 09/06/2025 21:44

drspouse · 09/06/2025 21:36

The LEA provides educational services to those in state schools, paid for by the schools.
The private school could also commission the services.

This is the operational model chosen by the government. These services could easily fall under NHS services if things were configured differently. Perhaps private school parents need a contract from the government when they chose to leave state education detailing what services they will longer be entitled to?

drspouse · 09/06/2025 21:36

The LEA provides educational services to those in state schools, paid for by the schools.
The private school could also commission the services.

SoSoLong · 09/06/2025 21:32

Seems to me it's an operating model designed to discriminate against non-state school kids. So many people saying the LEA pays for this service. The LEA is funded from public money. The NHS is funded from public money. The LEA paying the NHS is an accounting gimmick for the government - like me taking a tenner out of my left pocket and putting it in my right one. All children are entitled to LEA and NHS services, however poor they are. Yet here we've got an NHS clinic, funded from public money, that only provides services to state school children. And people think that's fair.

Kirbert2 · 09/06/2025 21:19

Willyoujustbequiet · 09/06/2025 21:16

That's unfortunate. DD has spd. She's had allsorts with them, even an intensive weekly course to help her ride a bike amongst other things. She had weekly OT intervention for nearly a year last summer. I've been really impressed with them.

Postcode lottery no doubt.

Similar here.

My son has OT, Physio and Hydrotherapy. They can't ever do enough for him.

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