To think there’s a real crisis in men being able to express how they truly feel about life and society?

Funny they seem more than willing to open up about all sorts of topics they know fuck all about, offering opinions willynilly when not asked.

If men can't talk about sensitive stuff, because other men are dicks to them over it... I'd say thats a man problem, they need to sort themselves out.

SO far though the loudest group seem to be the ones who want to sit in their mommys basements bitching about how its all womens fault. They probably aren't really the majority but until sensible men put these incel twerps back in their boxes, they're sure sounding like they're a majority.

Hugely misses the point.

If lesbian relationships are as violent as you claim, with no evidence whatsoever, they'd still be women in the society outlined by @Bulldogdreams bar the marital violence, i.e. Could you imagine a life where we were safe to go running at night ,or safe to walk home from the pub a few blocks ,or safe in our homes from the man we married,or safe from sexual abuse by our male relatives .or safe from our boss and his wandering hands ...it would be amazing

Maybe start a thread about that ,sounds awful,no I'd not realized the rates of violence were so high in lesbian relationships.
But this is a thread about men ,so I was replying about men

Have you seen the rates of domestic violence in lesbian relationships?

Staggering.

Are you expecting lesbian women to STFU about their problems till they stop battering each other?

Thought not.

Misandry is just as unacceptable as misogyny.

Who is telling you anger is an acceptable emotion? Not women I'll bet, I for one want to be nowhere near an angry man. Anger is an undesirable emotion to have, even more so for men. So why is it always the default emotion out of all the other "undesirable" emotions? You don't think women would far rather a man show vulnerability than anger? Male anger and violence (which it often leads to) is ALWAYS spoken about as a huge issue, why do men always ignore this and pretend they've been told it's the only acceptable emotion they can have?

I have no inclination to discuss mens mental health, until their violence towards women is discussed and stopped.
Maybe if they stop battering women ,they may find more people to talk to them .
Could you imagine a life where we were safe to go running at night ,or safe to walk home from the pub a few blocks ,or safe in our homes from the man we married,or safe from sexual abuse by our male relatives .or safe from our boss and his wandering hands ...it would be amazing

Just to add:
It is not the responsibility of the oppressed to help the oppressor.

When men begin to actively change society in favor of equality, then a conversation can happen.

But what motivation do men have for society to change, when it benefits them far more than it harms them.

Women attempt suicide more than men. Men just choose more violent methods which are in line with their general nature, so they are more successful.

If we use those stats to say there is a men's mental health crisis, then equally (if not more so) there is a women's one.

It is laughable PPs saying "women hold all the power" in dating.
Women are told they have an expiration date. You have successful vivacious women being passed over by substandard men who are going for women 20 years younger than them. And when those younger women don't want them, they don't look inward, they just rage against women as a whole.

Men aren't sending photos of their date to a friend for safety in case they get raped or murdered.

And I'm sorry, but when 1 in 6 girls stop being sexually abused and 1 in 4 women sexually assaulted or raped and two women every week being killed by men... Maybe then, I will be open to a conversation about how tough men have it.

But if I am being honest, I will probably tell them to get out and make the change that they want to see happen. Just like women have had to. We have had to fight for everything we have been given, whereas men are used to being handed things in a society shaped for them.

When they are not raping and murdering us ,you mean ..
I think mens violence towards women is a far bigger problem.
Why can't they control themselves

Yes and no- there are many men’s mental health podcasts out now- and they (many of them) seem to be toxic as fuck under the guise of this is how men are/ think/ act.

Look a bit closer...is there anything else those people (including the women in those positions) have in common?

Could it be...money, as @SquashedMallow said?

Ok, so uk is a predominantly white country by a very large majority - therefore far more white people will be in power. Same way if you went to the African continent, most of their leaders , if not all will be black.

Why more men ? Traditionally the majority of women have children, this will impact their career to some degree logistically. Men are more likely to take no career breaks and be able to steam ahead.

There are many, many, many female politicians, CEOs etc. have you not looked around lately ? We're not in the 1930s anymore.

I think that covers why the majority of "high up" people are white males. I'd argue there are a fair few women in high up places though in 2025.

If you don't believe white male privilege exists, why are white men so disproportionately represented at the top of our society? The power holders, the decision makers, the highest earners? Do you think that white men are disproportionately more intelligent and competent than women and people of colour?

I don’t know if this has been mentioned upthread but the success of Andy’s Man Club shows stuff is changing

Well according to Louise Perry we didnt gain much.

https://www.thefp.com/p/loveless-sex-is-not-empowering

You've drank the kool aid I'm afraid. "You can't be racist to white people " that's untrue. We're brainwashed now to take that as fact.

"White males are especially privileged" untrue. (See above )

This division helps nobody.

In 2025 females and people of colour are not lawfully discriminated against In UK countries- in fact there is moreso positive discrimination occuring. I'm not even bothered really about it, although I do think job should be given on merit, not because someone has wet their knickers that a black women has applied.

The only true privilege that exists really today is wealth. Wealth buys things, wealth attracts status and equally wealthy friends, business partners and associates. Money talks. All the rest is utter bullshit that we've all swallowed.

What a horrible and sensationalist generalisation about "men" as a group

Let's replace that shall we with, I dunno, say Muslims. "If Muslims stopped bombing people we might accept them " . Crass isn't it ? It's no more acceptable to generalise in the first example as it is the second.

Im child free by choice Im now in my early 50s. I went for a job interview back in 2004 Got asked by the male interviewer if i was planning to have children. I said no and that i didnt want them. He asked if i was frightened of responsibility. I got offered the job and had no choice but to take it as i was sent there by the Job Centre who arent known for being champions of equality. In the late 90s when both DH and i were sighning on they took me to one side to sign an agreement saying i would do part time work. DH had to sign no such thing.

I also think this is true

I have lots of male friends and they are all kind, decent men. They express their emotions well. I've seen a good proportion of them cry. They've kept long term friendships and prop each other up. They call each other on the way to work and in their lunch breaks. In exactly the same ways as my female friends. None of these men are hot guys but all have wonderful, intelligent girlfriends/wives.

The discourse online that men can't open up, are all lonely, have societal pressure to not display emotion is just not true, and I think is often a reflection of mens misogyny and anger towards women rather than an accurate depiction of reality. Most men I know do have community, friendships and support and are frequently emotionally vunerable.

It’s not ok to be abusive to anyone. True. It’s not helpful to make sweeping judgements about any group of people. True.

White men however, are not a protected group, precisely because they hold so much privilege. As a group, there is no comparison to those who experience discrimination based on their protected Characteristic. You really can’t compare it.

Couple of posters have mentioned men and friendship. There's a nice conversation here that you might be interested in. Those of you looking for male role models for kids might want to look at this. But generally, it's a good conversation about friendship. Maybe of interest to men and women.

m.youtube.com/watch?v=CNBxIhxHHxM&pp=0gcJCdgAo7VqN5tD

It's strange you say that, I've found the opposite. I'm generalising of course, but young to middle aged women I find often are very expressive at any perceived level of pain, men I find (more so older ones, granted) tend to grimace and feel they mustn't "make a fuss,". I think we're really cruel to men as a general population.

@TheGentleSwan "Mocking abusive behaviour and creating space for emotional honesty aren’t mutually exclusive but if we blur the lines too much, we risk reinforcing the very silence we claim to want to challenge"

you claim that there is a silence and that you want to challenge it. I don't know why you keep saying "we". You have said it quite a lot.

I actually find it a very old-fashioned idea that men can't talk about their feelings. It's 2025! I don't think anything cultural is stopping them. If there is something, then it's under the control of men. It's not something I can do anything about. Nor, the majority of posters on here, who are women.

If it is, it's a bit like telling people to go off-line and touch grass. if we are adults, at some point we have to take responsibility for ourselves, our actions and the media we consume. This is not specific to men or women. Even if you look at this board, if someone posts things that show clearly they have been consuming a bunch of crazy online stuff, they get told to touch grass very quickly.

You have consistently talked about this as if you think everyone should agree that this is a problem. I don't claim to be an expert, but I'm not sure it is a problem. And as many posters have said, there are resources set up for men specifically.

It really isn't. Take Bumble and Tinder, for example - there are two (Bumble) to three (Tinder) times as many men on dating sites as there are women. That, by definition, puts the choices almost entirely in the hands of the women.

Out of each 100 users, 11 women and 11 men will be matched. That's a 30-50% success rate for women, and a 15-20% success rate for men. It will never be more than that, by definition.

And, you'll note if you read my comment carefully, that I was talking about the women referred to in the previous comment - the ones who complain that they're being ghosted after a one-nighter. That's because the guys who've found success on there know exactly how to play the game, and they're in just as much of a minority as the women on there.

I agree. At the moment white males are a real target for abusive comparison. They're the only group that we hurl defamatory insults at and downplay their successes and achievements under the "you only got where you are because you're a straight white privileged male". Men aren't all abusive narcissistic bullies. White males are also kind, loving, generous, helpful , and peaceful. We're abusing and mocking innocents in this 'target all ' put down. People forget, that for many , our sons are going to grow up to be this target group.

Once again, I think women are really enjoying jumping on the victim bandwagon by labelling all men big bad bullies. These competitive victimhood and insult hurling has to stop. If you don't pick on a group of black females, or gay males, you don't blanket a group of white straight males either.

So, in conclusion, how some men are instantly wrong for their very "privileged " existence, no wonder they daren't express much