To think there’s a real crisis in men being able to express how they truly feel about life and society?

Well the first thing you could do is educate yourself on the risk factors. Which are poorly treated clinical mental illness, drug and alcohol use, financial difficulties, and, in later life, there an increased risk for men who are lonely and isolated. Then, once armed with the facts, and free from the myths like they just need an opportunity to express themselves, you could get cracking on things that might make a difference. Research MH services in your area. If they're poor, lobby your MP. Look at campaigns aimed at education around drugs and alcohol. Donate to charities offering support for people in debt, such as Step Change or Citizens Advice. Join a befriending service run by Age UK. If you want to help individual men directly, volunteer for the Samaritans, MIND or one if the many drug, alcohol or gambling support charities.

So, yes please, I do want more evidence.

Great. Google is your friend!

Wow! Someone really did a number on you didn't they? I can't imagine what it's like to carry such bitterness.

I've already posted about male suicide a page or so ago, so I'm not going to repeat myself. Suffice to say, I do not accept male suicide stats as evidence of a crisis of good men enable to express their feelings, and actually consider it disrespectful to women bereaved by suicide.
So, yes please, I do want more evidence. Evidence that men do not have a platform upon which to express their feelings, and that this is causing a crisis situation.
Then, like you, id like to know what we're supposed to be doing about it that we're not already.

It’s me and the majority of women I know.

We could go back to having sex with them whenever they want to and live a life we do not want to with them so they are served and treated like man children?

That would work as that is what they are pissed at. Mediocre men are annoyed they are not entitled to a woman as was promised in the past to mediocre men. They are annoyed their promised entitlement hasn't appeared.

Mine is anecdotal. I said that in the post. I highlighted that did not make it data.

Men today benefit from it, and that's why they don't do a damned thing about it, because they see equality as oppression.

ONS data. Abuse is common in pregnancy. By all means do not believe it. I choose to believe women when they report abuse not say they are hard to believe.

Can you share your data source please and also answer my question on how to distinguish between an abuser who is lying and a man who is being alienated?

Interesting data, can you share it?

also the claim of abuse being the largest issue faced in pregnancy? I’m not minimising it but I find that one hard to believe.

Data shows that males are the main false accusers of PA. Conviction data shows that men are liars on a ratio of 1:175. Men falsely accuse women 175 times more than women do to men. So yes data does prove that men are the main issue and yes it is rare.

Many of those will have been the reason for that difficulty. Abuse is the main issue women face in pregnancy. More so than anything else they experience.

An abuser isn't going to go to their mates and say they can't see their kids because they've been kicking her head in and she thinks they are not safe, right? Or do you think abusers are honest folk?

How do you distinguish between a man who is being alienated or one who is pretending to be alienated so no one knows the truth? Given the latter is more common data wise.

You go on and on abour how men cant express themselves emotionally. Yes, they are. By assaulting, killing, and raping women.. Anger is an emotion.
When men stop being responsible for 95% of sexual crimes, I will worry about their vulnerability.
It's women who are deeply vulnerable.

I know anecdote does not equal data
but every divorced dad I know has had some difficulties with seeing their kids. Some minor, some short term, some more serious and enduring.

I believe it’s not as rare as you think

It is not often women keep kids from men. Some do but it isn't common for no reason. Usually it is because of abuse which is the right thing to do. Usually men who are abusers claim they have been kept from their kids to paint her as the perpetrator. The other main reason it is claimed is because telling your mates you've left your kids and not bothered with them isn't going to go down well so saying you cannot see them paints you out then not to be the issue.

The reason we believe it is common for women to stop men seeing their kids is because abusers will say that often as abuse is common and protecting kids is common and abusers like to play DARVO.

So was he the victim or was he the perpetrator and she was about to squeal. Who knows? It could be either.

Women need to change to make men feel better?

Wtf.

It is not often women keep kids from men. Some do but it isn't common for no reason. Usually it is because of abuse which is the right thing to do. Usually men who are abusers claim they have been kept from their kids to paint her as the perpetrator. The other main reason it is claimed is because telling your mates you've left your kids and not bothered with them isn't going to go down well so saying you cannot see them paints you out then not to be the issue.

The reason we believe it is common for women to stop men seeing their kids is because abusers will say that often as abuse is common and protecting kids is common and abusers like to play DARVO.

So was he the victim or was he the perpetrator and she was about to squeal. Who knows? It could be either.

I can't disagree with any of that.

I don't think we have a mental health crisis. I think we have an issue with society. We have created a society where it is phenomenally expensive to live day to day, where we are bullied, oppressed, controlled, worked like dogs, shown perfect lives on social media which is impacting on our less than perfect lives. We have an NHS crisis so people are living without treatment for routine things making life unbearable, we have a school system which pressures kids too much, We have people living with sexual assault, DV, coercion, discrimination etc. Living in a society like that and we wonder why people display signs of distress? I do not think that isn't mental health, that is a normal response to a fucked up world that we have created and live in and in which people want to escape.

I would think a leading cause of male suicide is the end of a relationship and losing access to their kids. My brother recently lost a friend of his to suicide-I had never met him, didn't know anything about him but when my brother started telling me what happened I could already take a wild guess-his ex had left him and took his kids. And of course that's what had happened.

I would think a leading cause of male suicide is the end of a relationship and losing access to their kids. My brother recently lost a friend of his to suicide-I had never met him, didn't know anything about him but when my brother started telling me what happened I could already take a wild guess-his ex had left him and took his kids. And of course that's what had happened.

I agree with 5128gap

So much has been done in the attempt to lower the suicide rates in men and to encourage them to talk about their feelings.

Men's MH has been a huge focus for years. In my area alone, there are male only support groups, male only psycoeducation groups such as emotions for men, social groups like football, male only walking groups, cinema outings and so on. Then we have men sheds. There are also hubs where men can go to talk in a crisis as well as the crisis phone lines and a program with intense support for men who are suicidal.

We do have a MH crisis on our hands, but it includes women and young people too. In my experience, when men of a certain age are suicidal the risk is taken very seriously by the professionals around them (if they are involved of course).

My husband has severe mental health problems and almost ended up in hospital due to his high risk of completing suicide recently. If god forbid, he becomes a 'statistic', it won't be because he didn't have the space and opportunities to talk, or the inability to express himself.

Because it's largely irrelevant.

I mean, are we seriously getting into a debate about what 'kinds' of men are taking their own lives and passing judgement on whether some are 'any great loss'? Sorry but that's utterly vile rhetoric that I'm not getting involved with.

I'm just interested what we can do to stop men (the focus of this thread!) killing themselves.

Because it's largely irrelevant.

I mean, are we seriously getting into a debate about what 'kinds' of men are taking their own lives and passing judgement on whether some are 'any great loss'? Sorry but that's utterly vile rhetoric that I'm not getting involved with.

I'm just interested what we can do to stop men (the focus of this thread!) killing themselves.