To think there’s a real crisis in men being able to express how they truly feel about life and society?

I just can’t get too worked up about this. I’ve known so many men, including ex partners who have had their issues. I’ve tried to get them to open up or give advice (after struggling with MH myself) and they nearly always just snap at me, take it out on me, tell me I don’t know what I’m talking about, start sulking or having full blown tantrums with things getting smashed about. Or they just shut down and push me away. And if ever so much as DARE to ask for support in return, that also usually gets a tantrum too.
My wonderful female friends (who also struggle with MH from time to time) would never react like this to me. They listen, are respectful, open up, don’t push me away. They are also very supportive in return.

I don’t know what the problem is but I’m sick of wasting my energy on trying to help. They don’t respect us enough to listen anyway.

Not all of them no

You don't think men today benefit from the patriarchy? 🤣

Oh dear.

Are you a journo?

Yes, women are truly the ones at fault here 🤔

Why " the West"? What's different about other men?

There is something in this... I work mostly with men. And actually, they do allude to the ups and downs in their professional lives to a sympathetic female listener. Sometimes too much! I'm a colleague, not your counselling service!

However, I remember giving a chat with a rather reserved colleague who just returned from paternity leave. When I asked how he was doing, the fact that his wife haemorrhaged, he watched liters of blood pour our, and that he thought she and the baby were going to die, came rolling out. I was clearly the first person he'd been able to talk to about it, and how he felt, as he'd had to support his partner after the birth and show the "happy new dad" face to the family. It made me think that new dads really don't get enough support.

That said, after returning to work after a miscarriage (I was actually still bleeding) another male colleague decided to express him sympathy by telling me in graphic detail about his wife's experiences. I really wasn't in the right state to deal with his trauma dumping and literally froze. Fortunately another colleague rescued me.

Make of these stories what you will...

No you’re right that’s fair
it doesn’t mean all men are beneficiaries. Many are not

I disagree. Women suffer the effects of toxic masculinity more than men do.

And as long as you feel that way nothing will change.

Men don’t benefit from it. Not all.

and you can parrot that phrase all you like.

this thread is horrible

They didn’t create it, other men did. These men are as much a victim of toxic masculinity as anyone else

I agree there is indeed a crisis, but not an inability to express how they feel about society. They are very vocal online, in pubs, in media, at home, at work, on top of buildings etc.

The crisis - Now that men are no longer primary providers, more is expected of them in relationships in terms of emotional intelligence, child-rearing, runninga home...

Unfortunately we are still raising them to be 'men' and because women can now do 'men' things to a large extent; women are rejecting the little men offer.
This has left men suffering from a real identity crisis and has made them bitter, more violent and generally angrier than ever.

I was saying to someone this weekend that men need a rehabilitation centre (run by other right-thinking men) where they can heal from the toxicity they're consuming online and elsewhere, learn emotional intelligence, anger management, building connections and an overall lesson in 'women are not your enemies'.

Men today benefit from it, and that's why they don't do a damned thing about it, because they see equality as oppression.

Re-read what I actually wrote

There is a problem
this isn’t the space where it can be solved
this isnt the space where useful discussion can be made
even though women raise boys to be men

there are organisations and charities ( think men’s shed are one of them ) that do help

They would, but the friend isn’t likely to risk opening up in the first place if all they hear is toxic shit about how it’s weak, and how it’s all men’s fault anyway.

You think men today created patriarchy?

Exactly this.

Its views like most of the posters on this thread that are perpetuating the issues we have in society.

I would hope if their sons/husbands came to them with mental health issues then they may show a tiny bit more compassion.
Or would it just be a case of "man up" or "big boys don't cry"

I work in a male-dominated institution, and believe me, men can express their feelings perfectly well 😆

This. The view you’ve expressed will never get much traction on here. This thread shows part of why this is a problem

How come we never stop hearing about men's mental health issues, but they claim they can't talk about it?

All I ever see on any social media is men talking about stuff, podcasts where they're vile about women. They need to build their own communities and seek therapy / support. It's not for women to fix.

It tends to only be mentioned when men don't like something women say, "oh but men experience this too" okay? What's that gotta do with the subject?

Whenever a story breaks about a woman (say a teacher) abusing a young male, the comments are FILLED with other men saying things like "where were these teachers when I was younger". Why are we expected to take this cause seriously when they don't even take it serious?

oh what a surprise! It didn’t take long for a man to jump on and try to blame women!!

This is why most women are fed up to the back teeth of men.

I feel like I hear a lot from men about all sorts of things, TBH