To think there’s a real crisis in men being able to express how they truly feel about life and society?

I’m sick of hearing “men are so brave to talk about their MH” but women aren’t? When a women is lonely it’s usually seen as something that she has done to herself however when a man is lonely it’s something that society has done to him. These comments prove that some people still think it’s the woman’s fault.

Couldn’t agree more about the comments made about female teachers, imagine if women did that? There would be hell on. There’s also a barely legal category in porn… which targets teen girls, but I don’t think many women are targeting teen boys, apart from Bonnie Blue who has been called a predator and banned from Australia for her stunts, despite the boys being of legal age. I wonder how many male porn stars who had sex with barely legal teen girls have been banned from Australia… never read a story about one yet.

How come we never stop hearing about men's mental health issues, but they claim they can't talk about it?

All I ever see on any social media is men talking about stuff, podcasts where they're vile about women. They need to build their own communities and seek therapy / support. It's not for women to fix.

It tends to only be mentioned when men don't like something women say, "oh but men experience this too" okay? What's that gotta do with the subject?

Whenever a story breaks about a woman (say a teacher) abusing a young male, the comments are FILLED with other men saying things like "where were these teachers when I was younger". Why are we expected to take this cause seriously when they don't even take it serious?

You mean, men are facing the consequences of their own actions?

Maybe if men stopped killing their partners, they’d have someone to talk to and express themselves with :)

A thread that has already answered and given examples of why men don't open up about their emotions.

I never said ALL men denied access are lying abusers. Now you are a false accuser and fabricating things.

If you bothered reading it I said most are and some will be victims but you couldn't read it properly because you cannot see past your anger in me saying the truth which is that most are liars.

Do you understand what most means? That doesn't mean ALL. Basic maths that 3 and 4 year olds understand but it seems you do not. Or are you now just saying ALL because it is more dramatic and you are pissed I highlighted how easily it is for people to be duped by abusers and you feel foolish?

I never said ALL so you are lying to get attention and for a reason to get your anger out on me. You wouldn't have an argument to say you are pissed I said most are as that is factually correct and because I also said some are victims you would have to acknowledge that I said some men are victims which you do not want to acknowledge because it isn't as dramatic for you to say that.

You want to paint a picture about me that doesn't exist and is based on your own lies, fabrications, false accusations, humiliation and misogyny. You also are pissed and needed to vent but had to have a reason to vent so made up a reason.

Maybe you need to learn to read as your reading skills are very poor right now.

So why are you lying and saying I said ALL men? How fucking dare you falsely accuse - proving me correct in how easily it is to falsely accuse someone as you are now a false accuser and a liar!

You do not know if he has done something wrong. All you know is what he's told you. I've not said he is a lying abuser I have said the laws of probability is that out of the men who keep coming to you for sympathy some will be.

More lies and false accusations from you. So yes you are one of the women who lie. Thanks for proving me correct!

How dare you

you, a total stranger who knows nothing about me or my friends, are dismissing my actual experiences.

my friend of 30 years, who was in tears last week as his ex wife won’t let him see his daughter and he’s spent so much on court and solicitors he may lose his house, has done nothing wrong but you are saying he’s a lying abuser and I’m naive for believing him.

anecdotal, yes I know. Not all women, yes I know

but how fucking dare you say all men denied access are lying abusers!

Sorry you just learnt and were shocked that abusers lie to get away with their crimes and falsely accuse their victims.

Ffs
whatever

I'm not trying to convince you. I am telling you the laws of probability make it so. You are just accepting whatever anyone tells you because the world as it stands means that abusers have created a world where they can lie and be believed. Usually about women and falsely accuse them.

This is why abusers get away with abusing for so long. People believe their public persona of 'nice person' and believe any tripe they say.

Look just give up trying to convince me my friends (who you do not know) are abusers. I don’t know why you’re so hell bent on it.

The reality that you could've or more than likely have been lied to is not a nice feeling.

Rules of probability means that most are likely to have lied to you as abusers falsely accuse their victims in almost all cases and the line about parental alienation has proved that it is an abusers tactic in the main.

I’m not going to defend my friends against a total stranger on the internet who doesn’t know them

The chances of them all being victims is very slim. The probability that the majority were lying is high.

So do you think that if they were abusers because they are your friends they would tell you they were kicking ten bells out of their wife?

Are you literally joking!?

Thanks for the 'schooling' but I know all there is to know about mental health services - or indeed lack off - in my area. I know first hand what causes people to become mentally unwell because I've lived it. Having spent over a month in hospital, I know the signs and now do what I can to try and stop others suffering like I did. I've done pretty much all the things you describe, and then some, so no need to 'educate myself' thanks.

I know! Just when you think you've heard ALL of the stupid shit the Internet has to offer someone tries to gaslight women, those oppressed by patriarchy that men the beneficiaries of patriarchy are the true victims.

And no, men have absolutely zero trouble finding their voices.we hear their options on absolutely everything even mansplaining women's issues to women.

Having worked in male dominated environments they are also perfectly good at expressing emotion. I've had everything from a tough site manager telling me the day he married his wife was like winning the lottery. Another telling me about the traumatic birth he had just witnessed and how he had cried in the car. I've listened to male colleagues talk about how hard it is to deal with a parent with alzheimers and the emotional impact of that . I've had a burly engineer cry in my arms because his girlfriend was physically abusing him.

Men are just as emotional as women and just as capable of talking about it.

Focus does not need to be pulled away from the violence and hatred shown to women daily because some men can't say how they feel. In the US women don't even have bodily autonomy. We still don't have a world built for women's bodies, we don't have medical research dedicated to half the world's population. In Afghanistan women are basically prisoners. We don't have equal pay, equal responsibilities. We can't walk alone in complete safety. Rape convictions are comically low.

Women do not have anything like equity. Our needs are always pushed to the back.

There is no space for a coversation about poor old men at the moment. They need to wait, just like women have. Women are dying because of domestic violence every day, because men still do not see women as people.

And if you are a man and your answer to that is no, we can deal with mens issues too. Why haven't you been screaming the same about the issues women face daily? Why haven't you been going on men's forums and telling them they need to change?

We know why and it's because patriarchy benefits men.

I believed what they told me. They’re friends.

You said it wasn't rare. What you told me what that men were having difficulties. You do not know the reasons behind those difficulties only what they told you was the reason. From that you applied it to the whole population to say it isn't rare assuming all of these were victims because a man told you.

I told you abusers (who are usually men) lie to get away with their crimes and cover up their crimes and paint the victim as the perpetrator. Happens in almost all cases of abuse and rape.

I asked you how did you define that these men were victims and not men pretending to be victims because someone took action to safeguard their children.

In the grand scheme of things, I think it's trivial. You don't. That's fine.

So it is trivial when men are lonely because they disrespect women down to a sense of entitlement that we are not worthy of being friends with men and only worthy of being in their lives if we are fucking them and are killing themselves as they are lonely due to this. That is trivial is it?

Looking at why women are not going near such men is worth discussing or do we wish to skirt over the disrespect and misogyny and pretend this isn't the cause of women not wanting anything to do with such individuals?

Respectfully, I think that's all rather trivial. Guess we're just bothered about different things when it comes to men's mental health...

Nope they haven't. Men do have a sense of entitlement why do you think the phrase 'friend zone' is used as a put down? Or have I made that up that that phrase is even a thing?

I'm not bitter. I just can't imagine being a person who accepts men saying 'friend zone' to disrespect women who do not give them sex as being a good thing. I do not think we should accept that and disagree that speaking out about it is being bitter.

The irony that this post is about men not being able to speak out and look what happens when a woman does, she is told to shut up and stop being bitter because men complaining about 'friend zone' is grand!