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To think that free breakfast at school is a bad idea due to the quality?

637 replies

Mushypeass · 07/06/2025 21:20

Firstly, I fully agree with the principle of free breakfast for all pupils. My reservation comes from the quality of food that is often served up in UK school canteens. Obviously a poor quality breakfast is better than no breakfast at all but AIBU that it could encourage children to eat even more UPFs? For example, children who have may had a relatively healthy breakfast at home may now opt eat UPFs at school with their pals instead.

Seocondly, why is the food so poor in so many schools? How can other countries manage to provide their youth with nutritious and healthy meals but we can’t?

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Dwimmer · 10/06/2025 20:37

NeverDropYourMooncup · 10/06/2025 18:50

I was thinking more of 1906. Liberal and Conservative.

Various sections from Hansard:

Members were all perfectly agreed as to the necessity for some provision being made for the feeding of hungry children; but, at the same time, they were anxious that nothing should be done which would unduly relieve parents from the obligation which naturally rested upon them to give proper food to their children, or would pauperise those people who were given help. His own idea of the kind of meal that should be provided was food that might he accessible at any time. For this purpose he would suggest that there should be some place about the school building where dry bread and good milk should be available. This food would be sufficient to nourish the child, but at the same time no child would prefer this fare if it could get better food at home. At certain hours of the day the food should be accessible to all children who required it irrespective of whether their parents were poor or well-to-do. He felt himself that his suggestion would meet the case, for while it would provide that sufficient food was given to children it would not have the effect of pauperising them

<snip>

His contention was that the Government were departing from a distinct understanding arrived at in the Committee upstairs, who distinctly put these words in the forefront in the clause in order to make it clear that what they wanted to aim at was the organisation and direction of this provision, and not the buying of food out of public money, to which some of them objected altogether and which ought only to be resorted to in most exceptional circumstances

<snip>

It was, however, an important matter that the local education authority should be empowered to give an indefinite and indeterminate number of meals, and under this provision they might have any number of children fed at other people's expense. [Ironical LABOUR Cheers.] No doubt that was a prospect with which hon. Gentleman below the gangway were very much enamoured, but it was one which he thought was insulting to the independent working man

<snip>

how many in this House really and sincerely believed in their hearts that after this Bill was passed there would be any voluntary effort? The burden would be put upon the State or upon the rates. Then as to the provision of more than one meal, he was against the provision of any meal at all

<snip>

he believed he was saying the kindest thing possible when he said that if they encouraged parents in the belief that they might have any number of children and someone would provide for them they would be doing injury both to the child and the parents

<the hon. Baronet suggested he should support the Amendment. There was a very grave danger of impairing parental responsibility>

The 1906 Act allowed councils to provide meals to poor children through funds raised by local taxes - not many did. The 1944 Act provided universal free school meals until 1949 when it was deemed unaffordable and only poorer children got them for free up. Of course we were still at war in 1944 so perhaps there was more feeling that the state needed to look after children whilst their fathers were away fighting.

MightAsWellBeGretel · 10/06/2025 20:32

Katypp · 10/06/2025 13:59

I agree with this 100%. And I think some posters are being far, far too forgiving of parents who are not feeding their children.
I said upthread but I refuse to believe that anybody can not afford a couple of quid a week to give their children breakfast. Have run out of money because it's been spent elsewhere, cannot be bothered to get to the shops, cannot be bothered to get organised I can believe, but not that they are so fundamentally short of money they have not got £2.
But as usual, there will be a deluge of what ifs and yes buts to basically excuse terrible parenting. I am not sure whether defending The Poors makes the posters feel better about themselves or what, but it always happens.
I don't know how we got to the stage where the Government has become responsible for feeding children, despite already giving the parents money to do just that

Edited

Totally agree. A huge bag of supermarket porridge oats costs around £2 and would last a while. Everybody can afford that.

MightAsWellBeGretel · 10/06/2025 20:28

Fetaface · 10/06/2025 20:07

Learnt helplessness is what many parents have developed because society are there wiping their arseholes all the time.

Edited

Also makes sure they continue voting a certain way.

MightAsWellBeGretel · 10/06/2025 20:26

Why do you agree with all children getting free breakfast - this is a parental responsibility.

I pay for my DC to go to breakfast club a few mornings a week. They provide porridge, toast, weetabix, shreddies, and shredded wheat, I don't see what's terrible about that.

OneFineDay13 · 10/06/2025 20:26

LividVermiciousKnid · 07/06/2025 21:36

It will be utter shite.

All school dinners are utter shite. And ours are no longer even cheap, but utter shite.

Despite that, a free shite breakfast is still better than no breakfast.

Let’s deal with one thing at a time, as a society.

Well said

OneFineDay13 · 10/06/2025 20:25

Missedthis · 07/06/2025 21:28

Holy fuck.

Try coming to a school serving a community in the bottom 10% for deprivation.

Then come back and talk about UPFs.

I know right...

TheLarkAscendingRose · 10/06/2025 20:24

Downbadatthegym · 07/06/2025 21:28

I agree, I have nieces in the British school system and it seems appalling.
We are in France and seem to pay quite a bit more (5€ a day) for canteen but my dd gets a 3 course meal which is balanced with some organic and local ingredients, here it is all sent it to each school from a central kitchen, so all kids from age 3-16 get the same meal- obviously different sizes.
I think each school doing different things with many options will make it more expensive then all the free school meals it’s no wonder the food is rubbish

For breakfast? What sort of foods do they have?

ruethewhirl · 10/06/2025 20:19

Mashbutterfly · 10/06/2025 19:11

Where does it end. Should we nip by at bedtime and make sure they are read to, bathed and putting bed at a decent time.

Should we pay for the school uniform?

Or should we be teaching parents to be accountable for the children they produce?

Actually, subsidised school uniforms for the poorest seem fair enough to me, though I'm ignoring your first line as you're just being deliberately goady.

And obviously parents should be accountable, it's so blindingly obvious that that's a pretty goady statement too. But sometimes the system breaks down - sometimes parents themselves break down - and when this happens, no, a civilised society does not allow blameless children to go hungry.

You and your mate Katie have never seen real poverty, have you? I suspect if you had, you'd be a little less keen to judge those at the bottom of the pile with no real knowledge of their circumstances, and a little more angry at the governments who have allowed things to get to this state over the years.

Araminta1003 · 10/06/2025 20:17

Also I am in London and all kids get free school meals at present and at least 30 per cent of DCs class don’t have it, choose to have packed lunch instead.

Araminta1003 · 10/06/2025 20:14

For those who want to use the childcare for free but not the UPF, surely just make a packed breakfast? Suggestions to include boiled egg and baby spinach, granola, honey natural yoghurt and berries type thing. Sourdough and avocado. Go for it! If the school allow packed lunch, surely they allow packed breakfast?

RBowmama · 10/06/2025 20:09

Bex5490 · 07/06/2025 21:36

Every school I’ve ever worked in has a salad bar and fresh fruit.

Yep our school has healthy meals like this. Parents are regularly invited for tasting sessions and feedback too

Fetaface · 10/06/2025 20:07

Mashbutterfly · 10/06/2025 19:11

Where does it end. Should we nip by at bedtime and make sure they are read to, bathed and putting bed at a decent time.

Should we pay for the school uniform?

Or should we be teaching parents to be accountable for the children they produce?

Learnt helplessness is what many parents have developed because society are there wiping their arseholes all the time.

TheignT · 10/06/2025 20:07

Mashbutterfly · 10/06/2025 19:13

We have adopted children in our family, our friends are foster carers and adopters. I work in children's medicine.

I'm sick of poor parenting being excused and children being allowed to suffer because of feckless humans not putting a condom on.

Edited

I don't think it's about excusing the parents, it's about supporting the children. It isn't their fault.

PinotDragon86 · 10/06/2025 20:07

usernamealreadytaken · 10/06/2025 07:26

Shouln’t we also be angry at the parents who could afford 50p for a loaf and just dont? Throwing money at stuff doesn't always stick in the right place (from experience). Those of us who did it right don’t begrudge children being fed, but we do begrudge feckless parents being enabled.

You're not wrong at all.
I meant generally all round, I'm just angry that children go to school without breakfast in this day and age. No child should suffer the consequences for the decisions of adults, but they do. Just my humble opinion 🤷‍♀️

TheignT · 10/06/2025 20:06

angela1952 · 10/06/2025 13:25

The paid-for BC is expensive, it starts 45 minutes earlier. Free BC starts at 8.30 and is literally just breakfast, no time to be with their friends.

I assume their parents need the expensive one for work but if it's just to see their friends could they do it for fewer days. I don't know if schools offer that.

I don't suppose the school has the funds to offer the extra 45 minutes for free. Childcare is expensive and it doesn't always stop when they start school.

Mashbutterfly · 10/06/2025 19:13

We have adopted children in our family, our friends are foster carers and adopters. I work in children's medicine.

I'm sick of poor parenting being excused and children being allowed to suffer because of feckless humans not putting a condom on.

Mashbutterfly · 10/06/2025 19:11

ruethewhirl · 10/06/2025 18:32

Fine, then, Katie, oops I mean Katy… in that case you won’t mind being the one to go round all the hungry kids out there and explain to them that they can’t have anything to eat because their parents are feckless, will you?

Where does it end. Should we nip by at bedtime and make sure they are read to, bathed and putting bed at a decent time.

Should we pay for the school uniform?

Or should we be teaching parents to be accountable for the children they produce?

NeverDropYourMooncup · 10/06/2025 18:50

Dwimmer · 10/06/2025 18:11

In 1944? It was a Labour government who decided universal free school meals were unaffordable and introduced charges for all but the poorest in 1949

I was thinking more of 1906. Liberal and Conservative.

Various sections from Hansard:

Members were all perfectly agreed as to the necessity for some provision being made for the feeding of hungry children; but, at the same time, they were anxious that nothing should be done which would unduly relieve parents from the obligation which naturally rested upon them to give proper food to their children, or would pauperise those people who were given help. His own idea of the kind of meal that should be provided was food that might he accessible at any time. For this purpose he would suggest that there should be some place about the school building where dry bread and good milk should be available. This food would be sufficient to nourish the child, but at the same time no child would prefer this fare if it could get better food at home. At certain hours of the day the food should be accessible to all children who required it irrespective of whether their parents were poor or well-to-do. He felt himself that his suggestion would meet the case, for while it would provide that sufficient food was given to children it would not have the effect of pauperising them

<snip>

His contention was that the Government were departing from a distinct understanding arrived at in the Committee upstairs, who distinctly put these words in the forefront in the clause in order to make it clear that what they wanted to aim at was the organisation and direction of this provision, and not the buying of food out of public money, to which some of them objected altogether and which ought only to be resorted to in most exceptional circumstances

<snip>

It was, however, an important matter that the local education authority should be empowered to give an indefinite and indeterminate number of meals, and under this provision they might have any number of children fed at other people's expense. [Ironical LABOUR Cheers.] No doubt that was a prospect with which hon. Gentleman below the gangway were very much enamoured, but it was one which he thought was insulting to the independent working man

<snip>

how many in this House really and sincerely believed in their hearts that after this Bill was passed there would be any voluntary effort? The burden would be put upon the State or upon the rates. Then as to the provision of more than one meal, he was against the provision of any meal at all

<snip>

he believed he was saying the kindest thing possible when he said that if they encouraged parents in the belief that they might have any number of children and someone would provide for them they would be doing injury both to the child and the parents

<the hon. Baronet suggested he should support the Amendment. There was a very grave danger of impairing parental responsibility>

ruethewhirl · 10/06/2025 18:32

Katypp · 10/06/2025 13:59

I agree with this 100%. And I think some posters are being far, far too forgiving of parents who are not feeding their children.
I said upthread but I refuse to believe that anybody can not afford a couple of quid a week to give their children breakfast. Have run out of money because it's been spent elsewhere, cannot be bothered to get to the shops, cannot be bothered to get organised I can believe, but not that they are so fundamentally short of money they have not got £2.
But as usual, there will be a deluge of what ifs and yes buts to basically excuse terrible parenting. I am not sure whether defending The Poors makes the posters feel better about themselves or what, but it always happens.
I don't know how we got to the stage where the Government has become responsible for feeding children, despite already giving the parents money to do just that

Edited

Fine, then, Katie, oops I mean Katy… in that case you won’t mind being the one to go round all the hungry kids out there and explain to them that they can’t have anything to eat because their parents are feckless, will you?

Dwimmer · 10/06/2025 18:11

NeverDropYourMooncup · 10/06/2025 16:00

People said much the same about introducing Free School Meals in the first place all those years ago.

In 1944? It was a Labour government who decided universal free school meals were unaffordable and introduced charges for all but the poorest in 1949

Katypp · 10/06/2025 16:45

NeverDropYourMooncup · 10/06/2025 16:00

People said much the same about introducing Free School Meals in the first place all those years ago.

And I would agree with them too generally.
Universal free school meals for all infants is a luxury we cannot afford. A ridiculous idea and yet again, switching responsibility from parents to the Government - hence the need for vouchers in the school holidays now too. Madness.

NeverDropYourMooncup · 10/06/2025 16:00

Katypp · 10/06/2025 13:59

I agree with this 100%. And I think some posters are being far, far too forgiving of parents who are not feeding their children.
I said upthread but I refuse to believe that anybody can not afford a couple of quid a week to give their children breakfast. Have run out of money because it's been spent elsewhere, cannot be bothered to get to the shops, cannot be bothered to get organised I can believe, but not that they are so fundamentally short of money they have not got £2.
But as usual, there will be a deluge of what ifs and yes buts to basically excuse terrible parenting. I am not sure whether defending The Poors makes the posters feel better about themselves or what, but it always happens.
I don't know how we got to the stage where the Government has become responsible for feeding children, despite already giving the parents money to do just that

Edited

People said much the same about introducing Free School Meals in the first place all those years ago.

Katypp · 10/06/2025 13:59

usernamealreadytaken · 10/06/2025 07:26

Shouln’t we also be angry at the parents who could afford 50p for a loaf and just dont? Throwing money at stuff doesn't always stick in the right place (from experience). Those of us who did it right don’t begrudge children being fed, but we do begrudge feckless parents being enabled.

I agree with this 100%. And I think some posters are being far, far too forgiving of parents who are not feeding their children.
I said upthread but I refuse to believe that anybody can not afford a couple of quid a week to give their children breakfast. Have run out of money because it's been spent elsewhere, cannot be bothered to get to the shops, cannot be bothered to get organised I can believe, but not that they are so fundamentally short of money they have not got £2.
But as usual, there will be a deluge of what ifs and yes buts to basically excuse terrible parenting. I am not sure whether defending The Poors makes the posters feel better about themselves or what, but it always happens.
I don't know how we got to the stage where the Government has become responsible for feeding children, despite already giving the parents money to do just that

angela1952 · 10/06/2025 13:25

TheignT · 10/06/2025 13:01

Well if they don't like the breakfast I guess you all have some decisions to make.

Couldn't their parents give them something suitable before they drop them off?

Edited

The paid-for BC is expensive, it starts 45 minutes earlier. Free BC starts at 8.30 and is literally just breakfast, no time to be with their friends.

TheignT · 10/06/2025 13:01

angela1952 · 10/06/2025 08:53

They're supposed to be there for breakfast before school, as well as childcare They did come to me for breakfast before normal start time school for a while, but they wanted to go to BC with their friends. They would only have time for breakfast beforehand if they came to me at 6.30, though I do give them a drink and sometimes a snack.

Well if they don't like the breakfast I guess you all have some decisions to make.

Couldn't their parents give them something suitable before they drop them off?

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