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To think that free breakfast at school is a bad idea due to the quality?

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Mushypeass · 07/06/2025 21:20

Firstly, I fully agree with the principle of free breakfast for all pupils. My reservation comes from the quality of food that is often served up in UK school canteens. Obviously a poor quality breakfast is better than no breakfast at all but AIBU that it could encourage children to eat even more UPFs? For example, children who have may had a relatively healthy breakfast at home may now opt eat UPFs at school with their pals instead.

Seocondly, why is the food so poor in so many schools? How can other countries manage to provide their youth with nutritious and healthy meals but we can’t?

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feelingbleh · 07/06/2025 22:02

Mushypeass · 07/06/2025 21:56

I suggest we look at models from other countries where they manage it. France for example.

France doesn't offer free breakfast to all children. People can either pay for better quality or accept what their given for free and be greatful. Can't you see where we are at as a country cutting disability benefits, carers allowance, heating allowance. Their is no money where else do you want the money taking from to feed these kids an organic wholemeal cream cheese a salmon bagel. Should we take it out the nhs or hospice care 🤔. Either feed your kid at home or accept what's offered.

ilovesooty · 07/06/2025 22:00

Mushypeass · 07/06/2025 21:56

I suggest we look at models from other countries where they manage it. France for example.

I think you'll find that there is more financial investment into school meals in France than there is here, via the School Meals Coalition.

Downbadatthegym · 07/06/2025 22:00

Mushypeass · 07/06/2025 21:56

I suggest we look at models from other countries where they manage it. France for example.

It depends on the area here in France. When we were living in a left wing area they had a scaled system where parents paid between 30cents and 8€ a day for the school meal depending on income, same for pre and post school clubs. In right wind areas where the population generally have more money it’s a flat rate for everyone, the menu is excellent regardless though but no options other than a special meal for dairy, gluten free and vegetarian.

Princessfluffy · 07/06/2025 21:59

I agree OP schools should not be lining up their pupils for obesity, diabetes and cardiac issues in later life.

witwatwoo · 07/06/2025 21:59

We have a year 7 who is fed by school every morning - a bagel and a hot chocolate. Without that she’d have nothing. That way she can focus, school provides her uniform and washes it too.
Youre in a very privileged position if all you have to worry about is upfs. Making sure children are clean, dressed and not hungry is my priority.

Mushypeass · 07/06/2025 21:58

Delphiniumandlupins · 07/06/2025 21:57

A fantastic, healthy breakfast is best but toast and processed cereal is much better than nothing. You seem to think nothing should be provided if it can't meet your ideal.

Maybe I worded my OP wrong something is definitely better than nothing I agree!

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Keepgoing2022 · 07/06/2025 21:58

Most schools here are like this for lunch

To think that free breakfast at school is a bad idea due to the quality?
Poynsettia · 07/06/2025 21:58

Why assume it’s children who would not otherwise be fed -surely it’s DC with both parents working at breakfast club.

Soontobe60 · 07/06/2025 21:58

Mushypeass · 07/06/2025 21:20

Firstly, I fully agree with the principle of free breakfast for all pupils. My reservation comes from the quality of food that is often served up in UK school canteens. Obviously a poor quality breakfast is better than no breakfast at all but AIBU that it could encourage children to eat even more UPFs? For example, children who have may had a relatively healthy breakfast at home may now opt eat UPFs at school with their pals instead.

Seocondly, why is the food so poor in so many schools? How can other countries manage to provide their youth with nutritious and healthy meals but we can’t?

When your household income is high enough to be able to spend a greater % of said income on food that isn’t UPF, then you shouldn’t be commenting about children being given free food that stops them feeling hungry for the day. And don’t come back at me with ‘UPF free food can be cheap as well as nutritious’ claims, it’s just not true.

ShiningStar3 · 07/06/2025 21:57

I think it's important for schools to offer breakfast to those kids that need it. It might not be the healthiest food, but realistically the parents of those children getting breakfast at school might not have the desire or the means to provide a healthy balanced breakfast. If it's a choice between no breakfast and a breakfast that isn't particularly nutritious, especially for a hungry, growing child with a day of lessons ahead, it's a no-brainer. Better funding is the answer, but with so many critical areas being underfunded I won't hold my breath.

Delphiniumandlupins · 07/06/2025 21:57

A fantastic, healthy breakfast is best but toast and processed cereal is much better than nothing. You seem to think nothing should be provided if it can't meet your ideal.

howrudeforme · 07/06/2025 21:56

Agree that a school meals here are not good.

i left my husband when ds was 9. We had to move from an affluent area (and school meals were okish) to a deprived area. New school. Ds came home saying his packed lunches were often stolen (they were as he came home without the containers).

some children starving as no lunch or packed with a bag af crisps and a chocolate bar.

I know some teachers were bringing in food.

awful so free anything for kids is good imho. Right now many children are hungry so I’m not that bothered by quality (as this isn’t Italy) but give them food to at least fuel their school day. We’re a long way off from decent school / hospital food.

Mushypeass · 07/06/2025 21:56

feelingbleh · 07/06/2025 21:50

So what do you suggest parents pay £5 a day for their child to have breakfast at school. I'd love to see how well that would go down.

I suggest we look at models from other countries where they manage it. France for example.

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FoodAppropriation · 07/06/2025 21:55

Our standards are so low in this country, it's depressing

FoodAppropriation · 07/06/2025 21:55

Bex5490 · 07/06/2025 21:36

Every school I’ve ever worked in has a salad bar and fresh fruit.

I am South East London, never heard of one in state school.

The only kids I know who have access to these are in private schools.

Mushypeass · 07/06/2025 21:53

Bex5490 · 07/06/2025 21:46

Also, @Mushypeass , I’m guessing you don’t spend much time around struggling families living on the breadline.

As a senior leader and safeguarding lead at a primary school, I can tell you that free breakfast of any kind can:

  • improve attendance for families who are persistently absent.
  • give poor children a better hope of succeeding in education because they’re not spending the whole morning too hungry to concentrate.
  • give children who find school difficult a soft start to the day and more time around their ‘safe adults.’

Etc. etc.

We are absolutely on our knees running schools with no money and trying to support vulnerable families so tbh - we’ll take anything we can get.

I do spend a lot of time. Hence my concern in what these children are being fed.

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ilovesooty · 07/06/2025 21:52

IReallyLoveItHere · 07/06/2025 21:44

The schools in my village do processed cereals or toast with jam and marg.

I agree with you, they are teaching kids that highly processed nutritionally void foods are the breakfast of choice.

Fruit and yoghurt would be better. School could even teach the kids to make their own yoghurt.

Make their own yogurt? What planet are you on?

Some posters on this thread seem not to realise that there are children who go to school with nothing to eat and no parental input. Talk about privilege.

CaptainFuture · 07/06/2025 21:52

feelingbleh · 07/06/2025 21:50

So what do you suggest parents pay £5 a day for their child to have breakfast at school. I'd love to see how well that would go down.

Only some parents of course.

Favouritefruits · 07/06/2025 21:51

School haven’t got time to be making toast and buttering bread, it’s a pre wrapped brioche roll or a pre wrapped soreen with a carton on milk, a piece of fruit on the side. Our school is in a deprived area si we have had breakfast provided for over 10years.

Honestly teachers don’t have the time to be pouring milk and washing bowls, it’s a cheap filling breakfast, and if you’ve not eaten anything it fills your tummy!

feelingbleh · 07/06/2025 21:50

So what do you suggest parents pay £5 a day for their child to have breakfast at school. I'd love to see how well that would go down.

Mushypeass · 07/06/2025 21:50

YouWillFindMeInTheGarden · 07/06/2025 21:39

for breakfast?

No. I’ve only seen one breakfast so far (hot chocolate and cheap white bread mainly) Although in one place I did see fried chicken wings being served as a break time snack. I’m assuming the breakfast offering will be of similar quality to what is offered for lunch.

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CaptainFuture · 07/06/2025 21:50

School could even teach the kids to make their own yoghurt.
😆 of course!!PRIORITIES!!

Bex5490 · 07/06/2025 21:49

Mushypeass · 07/06/2025 21:44

@Missedthis @mrsmalcolmreynolds

My whole career has been spent supporting disadvantaged children mainly due to the fact I was one many years ago. There is no pearl clutching here. The fact I was 22 before I ever tasted any other vegetable than a potato or carrot is exactly why I am concerned about the content of these meals. These children need food education more than most. Or should they just have their gruel and be thankful?

Just read this so fair enough…

But still, for a lot of kids something is better than nothing and we definitely do not have the capacity in school to be teaching children to make fruit yogurt every morning!

Allswellthatendswelll · 07/06/2025 21:48

What UPFs do you mean? Bread? Cereal?
Is that really the worst thing in the world. Maybe peanut butter instead of nutella and fruit and fibre instead of coco pops.

I doubt many families are serving their children home made yogurt or multi grain porridge in the morning.

Don't let the perfect be an enemy of the good.

Nurseryquestions86 · 07/06/2025 21:47

IReallyLoveItHere · 07/06/2025 21:44

The schools in my village do processed cereals or toast with jam and marg.

I agree with you, they are teaching kids that highly processed nutritionally void foods are the breakfast of choice.

Fruit and yoghurt would be better. School could even teach the kids to make their own yoghurt.

My friend works in a school and has had to buy jumpers for her students and take uniform home to wash it as they are coming into school wearing filthy clothes, unbathed and hungry.

Making yoghurt will not be high on her list and a bowl of cornflakes although processed will make sure a child can actually learn as they are not starving.

I don't think some people realise the issues some schools face honestly.