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To think that nature is oppressive

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MonTuesWeds · 07/06/2025 15:38

And the goal of our progressive politics is to extricate ourselves from the oppression of nature? I don't think IABU

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DontTouchRoach · 07/06/2025 16:52

MonTuesWeds · 07/06/2025 16:48

Reproduction is natural, we use developments in healthcare to liberate us from this through the use of technologies like abortion and the pill. Trans rights are predicated on the notion that one can transition, this of course is facilitated by technology/drugs. Women no longer have to feed their babies as we now have formulas so they're not tied to them and soon we will have artificial wombs to gestate for us. Progressive politics is entirely focused on using technology and science to free us from our natural constraints, to transcend our limited horizons. To quote Laboria Cuboniks "if nature is unjust, change nature!"

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Probably should have said all this in your original post.

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MonTuesWeds · 07/06/2025 16:50

Daleksatemyshed · 07/06/2025 15:42

Not anything much that's progressive about politics at the moment Op. Nature's not oppressive, it's the natural order of things, only humans think they're above the natural order

But we don't like to accept the natural order, because its oppressive

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MonTuesWeds · 07/06/2025 16:49

verycloakanddaggers · 07/06/2025 16:41

Can you clarify what you mean by 'nature'? Do you mean the natural world or human nature?

What distinction between the two did you have in mind?

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MonTuesWeds · 07/06/2025 16:48

Cloudzilla · 07/06/2025 15:40

Nature is oppressive? Can you explain why you think that?

Reproduction is natural, we use developments in healthcare to liberate us from this through the use of technologies like abortion and the pill. Trans rights are predicated on the notion that one can transition, this of course is facilitated by technology/drugs. Women no longer have to feed their babies as we now have formulas so they're not tied to them and soon we will have artificial wombs to gestate for us. Progressive politics is entirely focused on using technology and science to free us from our natural constraints, to transcend our limited horizons. To quote Laboria Cuboniks "if nature is unjust, change nature!"

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IPreacts · 07/06/2025 16:46

Is this a TRA post? Do you mean we should replace sex by gender identity? If so, you must think gender is not innate ( given by nature) but entirely chosen.

If any of this is your view then you are being very unreasonable.

Beetletweetle · 07/06/2025 16:43

Yes, I've got a hedge that really gets me down and an ants nest on the drive that fucks me right off.

verycloakanddaggers · 07/06/2025 16:41

Can you clarify what you mean by 'nature'? Do you mean the natural world or human nature?

Sajacas · 07/06/2025 16:41

I think you need to say more. Are you talking Hobbes' nature or mankind, that our lives are nasty, brutish and short, and the goal of politics is to mediate?

Or what?

Boomer55 · 07/06/2025 16:39

MonTuesWeds · 07/06/2025 15:38

And the goal of our progressive politics is to extricate ourselves from the oppression of nature? I don't think IABU

Mother Nature is wonderful. Mankind are those that make life the crap it is sometimes 🙄

5128gap · 07/06/2025 15:51

I think politics had a role in preventing things that occur naturally from oppressing people, yes. I don't think that's controversial. The lack of agreement arises when people have different ideas of what constitutes oppression and different ideas of how politics should address it.

Fearfulsaints · 07/06/2025 15:47

Nature is red in tooth and claw

But as a species we survive best in cooperative groups

TreesToday · 07/06/2025 15:45

Unfortunately you live on a planet and you’re a part of ‘nature’ and rely on it to stay alive.

Donotpanicoknowpanic · 07/06/2025 15:44

You have made a post to deliberately make no sense and get a reaction 😕

Daleksatemyshed · 07/06/2025 15:42

Not anything much that's progressive about politics at the moment Op. Nature's not oppressive, it's the natural order of things, only humans think they're above the natural order

Cloudzilla · 07/06/2025 15:40

Nature is oppressive? Can you explain why you think that?