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Bicycles on pavements - why are they not being ridden on a road?

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FinallyMovingHouse · 06/06/2025 11:27

I've only moved to near the centre of a town in the last 6 months and hence hadn't really noticed this where I used to live, which was more rural.

Can someone tell me why it seems now to be acceptable for people; all ages from schoolkids to 60 odd, to ride their bikes on the pavements and never seem to go on a road? I was trying to explain to my youngest DD (20) how my DH and I would have been shouted at by police and pedestrians if we'd tried that 30 years ago and definitely when we were teenagers (we're mid 50s).

Many have been very polite, waiting for me to notice them and then saying thank you when I've moved for them, but I've also had bells rung at me endlessly from a distance away until right behind me or the handlebars tapped to move me out of the way on a narrow pavement. So far I've stopped myself from retaliating but I do feel an overwhelming urge to shout "get off the effing pavement" more and more.

I do appreciate that yes, the roads are dangerous etc, etc but they're making the pavements dangerous, especially when you can't see them or they're going too fast. It's also illegal.

AIBU or am I just getting old and crabby?!

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FinallyMovingHouse · 08/06/2025 10:48

Thanks again for all the comments. To repeat, about the shared pavements/paths; I've looked very carefully at the pavements I'm talking about and they're definitely not shared - looked for signs on the pavement surface, on lamp-posts and on the road....just a pavement and no sharing at all. The pavements I'm talking about directly abut the road on 1 side and have either shops or houses on the other, so lots of unexpected appearances by pedestrians/dogs; narrow, busy and pretty central to town.

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ThinWomansBrain · 08/06/2025 09:46

MidnightPatrol · 06/06/2025 12:13

I live by a fairly busy junction which gets a lot of cyclists.

I reckon one jumps the lights at least 50% of the time when I’m trying to cross.

I’ve been thinking about creating some sort of tool mounted on a lamp post to fire water at them or something.

My dream invention for this situation is a giant net that swoops down, picks up the offending cyclist and bike, dumps them somewhere isolated and hilly with no traffic lights.
Problem solved.

TheSwarm · 07/06/2025 01:13

Dangermoo · 06/06/2025 22:11

I know that and as I said earlier, it's an exception. Note the word "sometimes". Stretching, again.

And as I said, that was literally my point to start with, that I have no issue with cyclists on the pavement if it's safer for them to be there and they have consideration for pedestrians.

Poor reading comprehension, again.

MikeRafone · 06/06/2025 22:26

Dangermoo · 06/06/2025 22:11

I know that and as I said earlier, it's an exception. Note the word "sometimes". Stretching, again.

Where are you reading that it’s an exception

sometimes means occasionally
exception means not usually allowed

Dangermoo · 06/06/2025 22:11

MikeRafone · 06/06/2025 22:02

That guidance from Mr Boateng, issued in 1999 said: “The introduction of the fixed penalty is not aimed at responsible cyclists who sometimes feel obliged to use the pavement out of fear of traffic and who show consideration to other pavement users when doing so.

I know that and as I said earlier, it's an exception. Note the word "sometimes". Stretching, again.

MikeRafone · 06/06/2025 22:02

Dangermoo · 06/06/2025 21:53

Was the OP referring to normal pavements? No matter how much you try and resist, legislation affords pedestrians, safety, on general pavements.

That guidance from Mr Boateng, issued in 1999 said: “The introduction of the fixed penalty is not aimed at responsible cyclists who sometimes feel obliged to use the pavement out of fear of traffic and who show consideration to other pavement users when doing so.

Dangermoo · 06/06/2025 21:53

TheSwarm · 06/06/2025 21:43

Still unable to explain why there is any problem with a cyclist carefully using an empty pavement next to a busy road, especially when the home office themselves say it's fine to do.

But no, came up with some nonsense about minis using hard shoulders instead.

Was the OP referring to normal pavements? No matter how much you try and resist, legislation affords pedestrians, safety, on general pavements.

MikeRafone · 06/06/2025 21:49

Dangermoo · 06/06/2025 20:40

Whenever somebody responds with a phrase such as utter rubbish, I'm happy to presume there is no point in engaging further. Hence, why I stood by my analogy, illustration or whatever 'rubbish' you want to call it.

Yet you did respond with a whole load of nonsense about the poster saying things they had said about your analogy.

TheSwarm · 06/06/2025 21:43

Dangermoo · 06/06/2025 20:40

Whenever somebody responds with a phrase such as utter rubbish, I'm happy to presume there is no point in engaging further. Hence, why I stood by my analogy, illustration or whatever 'rubbish' you want to call it.

Still unable to explain why there is any problem with a cyclist carefully using an empty pavement next to a busy road, especially when the home office themselves say it's fine to do.

But no, came up with some nonsense about minis using hard shoulders instead.

shivermetimbers77 · 06/06/2025 21:10

We need better cycling infrastructure here.. I went to the Netherlands and it was a dream. Completely separate bike lanes on every single road, blocked off from the traffic and the pavement and totally safe all round.. if we had that it would be so much easier for everyone.. as it is, I wouldn’t feel safe advising my son to cycle on the road here. The traffic is terrifying.

Dangermoo · 06/06/2025 21:00

Maxorias · 06/06/2025 20:53

And to the "you're endangering pedestrians" brigade - it's less dangerous for a pedestrian to be hit by a bike, than for a bike to be hit by a car.

🥱 you're late to the party with that one.

Natsku · 06/06/2025 20:59

Are there a lot of shared paths in your town op? Because in my town most paths are shared so cyclists are so used to riding on the pavement they also do it on the paths that aren't shared.
It's not a problem though because everyone is used to cyclists on pavements and cyclists and pedestrians coexist and make room for each other.

hettie · 06/06/2025 20:58

FinallyMovingHouse · 06/06/2025 11:40

HI Overly - they're definitely not shared paths.

So I don't know where you live but in my city there are very many shared pavements that look exactly like the pedestrian pavements they once were but are actually designated as shared. All that indicates this is the occasional blue sign about the size of a small dinner plate mounted on lampposts etc. No markings on the floor/pavements at all. I frequently get yelled at by frustrated pedestrians, but frankly it's the councils failing.....I cycle slowly in these areas and use my bell as I know most pedestrians don't have a clue they're shared.

Barney16 · 06/06/2025 20:58

I asked the cyclist on the pavement behind me to use the road, which he did. In a way I dont blame them, the roads are terrifying but i thought pavements were for pedestrians.

Maxorias · 06/06/2025 20:53

And to the "you're endangering pedestrians" brigade - it's less dangerous for a pedestrian to be hit by a bike, than for a bike to be hit by a car.

Maxorias · 06/06/2025 20:52

Disclaimer - I don't live in the UK so possibly different situation.

I bike to work and to take my kids to school. Whenever possible I go on the bike lanes. But in order to go to my kids' schools taking the road would involve crossing a busy avenue and making a big detour. Also I'm just not risking it when my kids are on the bike. I don't care what the law says, their safety comes first. I appreciate however the inconvenience to pedestrians and I'm very careful to go slowly when on the pavement and give them right of way.

Once I've dropped them off I then usually go on the road because then there's no need to cross since I'm going in the "right" direction, and I can accept risks to myself that I wouldn't accept for my kids.

The rest of the time I only go on the pavement when it's objectively dangerous - people here are not careful drivers. Thankfully this is rarely an issue as almost all of the way to work is a cycle path.

Okiedokie123 · 06/06/2025 20:42

I dont drive and am usually walking to town/home most days. If I see a cyclist on the pavement I usually deliberately pretend I havent seen them, walk in the middle of the pavement etc. I usually tell them "Its illegal to cycle on the pavement" - they (usually the males) argue with me about how Im wrong. They love pointing out how dangerous the roads are for them without any apparent irony about how dangerous the pavements are for pedestrians with them cycling on them.

Get on the road and ride your bike. Or walk with it. Pavements are not for cyclists. Unless they have been re-designated as cycle paths in which case all good.

Dangermoo · 06/06/2025 20:40

TheSwarm · 06/06/2025 20:37

No, I'm saying your point is utter rubbish. Obviously.

Or, to put it another way, complete shite.

I note you didn't respond the last time I proved you completely wrong, so meh.

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Whenever somebody responds with a phrase such as utter rubbish, I'm happy to presume there is no point in engaging further. Hence, why I stood by my analogy, illustration or whatever 'rubbish' you want to call it.

TheSwarm · 06/06/2025 20:37

Dangermoo · 06/06/2025 18:39

You're saying it's not an offence to drive on the hard shoulder, if you're not an emergency vehicle? When did minis gain that status?

No, I'm saying your point is utter rubbish. Obviously.

Or, to put it another way, complete shite.

I note you didn't respond the last time I proved you completely wrong, so meh.

MikeRafone · 06/06/2025 20:32

Not sure how you get that a poster is stating it’s legal to drive down the hard shoulder, or a mini is an emergency vehicle - from two words written “utter rubbish” , that an extreme stretch by any margin

it must probably means the poster thought that your post was utter rubbish, could be it was your analogy they thought was utter rubbish

Dangermoo · 06/06/2025 18:39

TheSwarm · 06/06/2025 18:19

Utter rubbish.

You're saying it's not an offence to drive on the hard shoulder, if you're not an emergency vehicle? When did minis gain that status?

TheSwarm · 06/06/2025 18:19

Dangermoo · 06/06/2025 17:00

Can you imagine a mini driving up the M6 on the hard shoulder. Copper to driver: do you know why I've pulled you over? Yes officer but I'm scared of the big lorries hurting me. That's about the crux of the defenders' argument that you can drive a tractor through.

Utter rubbish.

Redpeach · 06/06/2025 17:54

Benvenuto · 06/06/2025 17:49

National standards for cycle routes were set out by the government in Local Transport Note 1/20. If a council hasn’t provided a safe network of routes to LTN 1/20 standards, then some people will inevitably ride on the pavement because they are frightened. Unfortunately, if you cycle on the roads, scary moments happen far too frequently - I was cycling earlier on a decent cycle route (no conflict with pedestrians or cars even though the street was busy), then the route ended so I had to ride on the road & within a few minutes had an impatient driver overtaking uncomfortably close.

This conflict happens much less in the Netherlands as they design streets so vehicles, bikes & pedestrians are separated from each other - it’s much easier & safer to cycle there but it’s also much better for driving. Ultimately, it’s a political choice - the Netherlands chose to design streets safe for cycling (in some places due to political leadership (like Groningen) and in others due to road safety activists such as Stop de Kindermoord) whereas the UK has generally chosen to prioritise motor traffic.

A campaign that started after someone's child died. Uk culture is topsy turvy.

Benvenuto · 06/06/2025 17:49

National standards for cycle routes were set out by the government in Local Transport Note 1/20. If a council hasn’t provided a safe network of routes to LTN 1/20 standards, then some people will inevitably ride on the pavement because they are frightened. Unfortunately, if you cycle on the roads, scary moments happen far too frequently - I was cycling earlier on a decent cycle route (no conflict with pedestrians or cars even though the street was busy), then the route ended so I had to ride on the road & within a few minutes had an impatient driver overtaking uncomfortably close.

This conflict happens much less in the Netherlands as they design streets so vehicles, bikes & pedestrians are separated from each other - it’s much easier & safer to cycle there but it’s also much better for driving. Ultimately, it’s a political choice - the Netherlands chose to design streets safe for cycling (in some places due to political leadership (like Groningen) and in others due to road safety activists such as Stop de Kindermoord) whereas the UK has generally chosen to prioritise motor traffic.

MemorableTrenchcoat · 06/06/2025 17:07

Dangermoo · 06/06/2025 17:00

Can you imagine a mini driving up the M6 on the hard shoulder. Copper to driver: do you know why I've pulled you over? Yes officer but I'm scared of the big lorries hurting me. That's about the crux of the defenders' argument that you can drive a tractor through.

Whataboutery.

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