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Children drowning on holiday.

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Nextdoormat · 06/06/2025 10:22

Another week where in the news a poor toddler (2) has drowned on holiday. Devastating for parents. I am not casting blame or being goady, but how can we make it clearer that someone needs to watch a child 100% of the time if near water.
As a single parent I did take my kids on holiday where there were pools but they always had arm bands on when they couldn't swim properly and I never took my eyes off them, so no reading a book, snoozing, chatting and being distracted.
Perhaps it was easier when I had sole responsibility. Once my DS2 at the time aged 4 was just walking by the pool and another kid just pushed him in at the deep end. I jumped in fully clothed with sunglasses on and pulled him out, if I wasn't watching I could have been that parent grieving.
My heart goes out to the parents, what was supposed to be a holiday making memories turned on it's head.

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Derbee · 06/06/2025 13:45

Every year on holiday I am horrified at how many small children are in the pool without being properly watched. DS at 2 was in the splash pool (knee high on adults) and I was right next to him. Other toddlers were in the water, with parents chatting on sun loungers etc.

People do not take water safety seriously enough. We have 2 adults and one child in our family, and we make sure that we do a “handover” of who is watching DS at all times. It’s never assumed. It’s always explicitly stated.

EggnogNoggin · 06/06/2025 13:43

The problem is usually that there are multiple adults around e.g. parents and grandparents and everyone thinks the children are being supervised by someone so everyone is more lax than the would be alone.

It's called the "diffusion of responsibility" effect.

BunnyEaster · 06/06/2025 13:42

I couldn't ever judge either. I left ds with dh to get a drink by the pool. Came back and dh was asleep with ds about three floating in his back. The place was packed and no one helped him or woke dh. The lifeguard then came over and told me he was watching but did nothing as ds was floating face up so ok.

If he had been face down it would have "toddler drowned while mum at the bar" and not "while his dad nodded off two metres away".

Same when his older brother just walked out the back gate and his grandfather did nothing to stop him or get him. So it could be that you assume others are watching and care or have a shred of IQ or they wonder off etc.

If takes a second to loose eyes on a toddler.

LetMeAtom · 06/06/2025 13:40

I see yo have to say to my dh right you are watching them now for 20 mins, the after 20 mkns take over and take it in shifts

Didshejustsaythatoutloud · 06/06/2025 13:38

stealthbanana · 06/06/2025 11:56

This made my blood run cold - I find pool holidays SO stressful with young children (WHY does Europe not have laws about requiring pools to be properly fenced?). Those poor parents.

just to the PP who said 2 is too young to be learning about water safety - it absolutely isn’t. My kids both understood float to survive and monkey monkey on the side of the pool by 2, and I worked incredibly hard to get them to be able to swim a (domestic pool) length with safety crawl by the time they were 3. It takes time and money and effort but I think it’s well spent.

Yeah it's all well and good to say money well spent. What if you can't afford the cost?Swimming lessons in Scotland are treated as a "luxury" as not all can afford to or parents can't be bothered.
I think learning to swim should be as mandatory as learning math, English etc.
We should start a public health campaign as I think it's a disgrace.

LingThing · 06/06/2025 13:38

I saw a really good suggestion at a pool party that you have a lanyard. Whoever had the lanyard is just watching the water, not even checking the phone. You do 15mins and swap with another parent. So with more Than kne adult on holiday you can do this. I think people just assume there are enough people are ok f the pool someone will notice. Club together with some other parents and so this

FunnysInLaJardin · 06/06/2025 13:37

Goingncforthisone · 06/06/2025 13:36

Voted YABU as you said you weren't blaming or goading then proceeded to say how your excellent parenting avoided a drowning.

It's a vulgar thing to start commenting on. Are you honestly thinking you will save lives by discussing this or are you using this as an opportunity to judge?

strikes me as an opportunity to judge tbh

Goingncforthisone · 06/06/2025 13:36

Voted YABU as you said you weren't blaming or goading then proceeded to say how your excellent parenting avoided a drowning.

It's a vulgar thing to start commenting on. Are you honestly thinking you will save lives by discussing this or are you using this as an opportunity to judge?

FastFood · 06/06/2025 13:33

Chocolateorange22 · 06/06/2025 10:55

I remember pre kids being at an AI and the number of parents not watching their kids in the pool was obscene. A number of kids just had arm bands on and parents were chatting with their backs to the kids or reading a book. Honestly I think people don't realise that drowning can be silent.

You're rigjt, there's this awful misconception that drowning is a messy affair, but as you said, it's not, it's very silent and discreet.

A family friend lost their two kids in an AI pool like that. The first one drowned, the second one tried to save them and drowned as well. There were a lot of people in the pool, no one saw anything happening.
Horrible yet awfully common story.

MissRabbit00 · 06/06/2025 13:30

Last year we declined a villa holiday abroad with friends as we didn't want our 2 year old and 4 year old around an open pool. There would have been three couples all with children with ages ranging from 2 to 10 years old. We just knew that the older kids would constantly be opening the doors to the pool area and that it wouldn’t be a relaxing holiday for us at all!

They thought we were mental and still take the p*ss out of us for not going. Its honestly infuriating to have to keep defending the reason that we want to keep our children safe and don't want to spend thousands on a holiday that we cant relax on!

PurpleRivers · 06/06/2025 13:27

I think things like this are often an issue with incomplete communication about who is watching the DC.
It needs to be a very clear verbal "you are watching this child I'm watching this child" kind of set up when out but especially around water, it's too risky to just assume the other parent is watching as they may be assuming the same 😔

KT1113 · 06/06/2025 13:23

I totally agree with it being easier in some ways when you're on your own.

We actually lost DD who was 3 at the time by the pool in Greece, about 7 years ago. I was on holiday with my husband and my mum and 3 other children, we all thought she was with the other and she'd actually taken herself off to the bar. Still can't believe we let it happen. Now I'm a single parent, I know I have full responsibility for them and so no assumptions of them being elsewhere.

Worldwide99 · 06/06/2025 13:23

Near miss here too. I was at the edge of the pool about to get in. DC who could swim but wasn’t confident pushed out from the edge but panicked and started to go under. Drowning is silent. If I hadn’t been watching him and about to enter the pool myself, it would only have taken seconds. I got to him and scooped him to the side but I struggled with the image of his head going under for a long time. Water is so dangerous.

TheDevilFindsWorkForIdleMums · 06/06/2025 13:23

I had 2 toddlers with ASD who were bloody hard work. We still had holidays around pools and water we had eyes on constantly and were hypervilgilent at all times. At least one would have reins on usually both and I did not get the luxury of sitting on my arse......I can't get my head around this happening or kids going missing near water without parents realising. This isn't a child getting out of the house and drowning, this is a parent or parents making the choice to sit with them near water and not doing the basics because they're relaxed. And rightly or wrongly I do judge that.

scotstars · 06/06/2025 13:22

Agree OP it's scary how so many people leave kids unsupervised in pools. I am same position as you single parent so eyes always on I wonder if it's 1 of the situations where being a single parent is actually beneficial we were away recently at a waterpark with friends who were much more relaxed and thought I was paranoid

Doggymummar · 06/06/2025 13:19

Poopeepoopee · 06/06/2025 11:06

A lot of it is alcohol related. Thats why it happens more on holiday.

Don't drink when you're in charge of your children around water. Alcohol loosens your inhibitions and makes you more relaxed. Too relaxed.

I haven't seen the story we are discussing here, but I used to be a holiday rep I'm Malta. The number of pissed up parents asleep round the pool was horrific in the afternoons. We had one child drown and another got their arm stick in the drain. Some people are just crazy and how more didn't get into trouble I will never know.

Hohofortherobbers · 06/06/2025 13:18

Also, do not buy blue or green or white swimwear, literally invisible under water.
Buy red, orange, black.

Littlethingshelp · 06/06/2025 13:17

I don't know the details of the tragic case, so wouldn't want comment on it. However, from what I have observed, people often don't observe children carefully enough around water and especially on holiday. I don't think it is really possible to properly relax yourself whilst supervising children around water and people just don't like to accept it, as everyone is on holiday. You have to be watching them all the time. Someone needs to be responsible for each child at all times. Water parks are even worse than pool and the beach. At water parks I really think you need to have 1 adult her every small child, as they can go in all directions and be so hard to have an eye on at all times!

I like to only go to the pool for an hour each day on holiday and only have a couple of beach days, so we can have other more relaxing days! I also always put them in something bright that is visible under water, but really it is about watching them constantly. Exhausting

Hohofortherobbers · 06/06/2025 13:17

I recall watching cctv footage of a boy aged approx 7 struggling in a crowded pool without anyone noticing, he either couldn't call gif help as he was struggling so much to stay above the surface or the pool was too noisy for him to be heard. It went on for a painful minute before he slipped down only then was he noticed when someone trod on him, he was resuscitated miraculously. It's not always obvious someone is drowning Sad

TwistedOrange · 06/06/2025 13:15

Oh how awful, that poor kid. Things happen SO quickly, what a tragic outcome.

I pulled a 6/7 year old girl out of a river once, we were at a regatta event and had set up picnic near the waters edge. It was busy, and these 2 girls were just in front of us and leaning really far over the water. I could see what was going to happen but just kept an eye as wasn’t sure who she was with. Sure enough she went in, I leapt up and laid down over the waters edge and managed to grab her under her arms and haul her out with the help of my mum. She was treading water but completely submerged and I can still see her face looking at me amongst all the weeds. It was bloody terrifying.

My mum asked her where her parents were and she walked with her to where they were - about 6 picnic blankets away, far enough to not be able to see her properly. Her mum just looked at her and said ‘why are you all wet’ my mum told her what happened but she didn’t really say a lot!

JessicaDing · 06/06/2025 13:14

And really for any age for that matter. If a parent was sleeping, and a child somehow made it out. That doesn't mean the parent hadn't locked the door. Toddlers are so quick, children 5-7 can be cunning and lie, sneak and do things.

We must always have compassion and not just to blame.

SnemonyLicket · 06/06/2025 13:14

The last holiday I went on included 4 children aged 1, 2, 3 and 6 years old. Before we went we bought all the children life vests to wear around the pool so if they fell/got pushed/jumped in it would give us a chance to rescue them. We also had the rule that none of the parents would drink alcohol during the day. And we also had a strict rule that we did a very vocal handover- so if I was watching my dd and nephew playing near to the pool and needed the toilet I would then pick another available adult and say “DH, I am going to the toilet. You are now in charge of dd and nephew”. The whole process worked really well over all…and yet despite that we still had one incident of my nephew (3 yo) getting into a rage at breakfast and running towards the pool to deliberately scare my sister and BIL, then tripping and toppling into the pool. Fortunately it was the shallow end so he could just about touch the bottom and he was quickly fished out.

So I agree that parents need to take more responsibility with their kids on holiday and not be so complacent, but there are also times when kids do completely random things that unwittingly endanger their lives and sometimes the parents have done everything they can but it still ends in disaster.

JessicaDing · 06/06/2025 13:11

Water should really be considered such a hazard for anyone under fives. Baths, buckets, fish ponds, lakes near playgrounds. A swimming pool is such a thing that needs to be taken seriously, I suspect on holidays if someone has one in their villa or airbnb backyard they might just not be used to it and don't think about how easily a child could just slip out side and wander over. Even for home-owners, the anxiety I would have around one, even fully fenced until they're at least 7 would be intense.

Ages 5-10 is hard, because they can seem so confident, but they also can panic easily, tire out easily, make questionable choices and all the sorts. It's just such an awful risk. But also, one needs to learn how to swim and I really do question the over use of floaties, paddlejumpers and even lifejackets if it is holding back the increased skill of swimming. I think the problem is how one defines "swimming" is hard.
A news stories might say "a child drowned while swimming in the sea", but the details might be they were wading up to their knees then a rouge wave hit them, and washed them out. Well, I'd hardly say they were swimming before that. So circumstance and context is so important.

Also the main issue of drowning being so damn silent. No screaming or flailing, be it so simple. Or the assumption that a hotel pool has a lifeguard, and that lifeguards themselves are babysitters (I don't like that mindset).

I am more forgiving than most on news stories when a children is 10+ drowns, I don't like jumping to the "where are the parents??" style comments one often sees as a first gut reaction. Anyone who really thinks about preteen and teenage behaviour knows that very easily they could go to a lake, river or friend's pool without a parent really being in the loop on such a thing. And while it's easy to be a perfect parent online, real life is much harder. If you have a child who is 11 or 12, who is a perfectly fantastic swimmer and has never shown a sense of fault in their life. Then while letting them going to swim in a backyard pool or hotel pool without supervision while might at be to many ill-advised on paper, we need to be real here and admit it's more normal than people might like to admit (and many would never admit letting it happen). Pretending it isn't helpful.

I'm not endorsing it, but just how a child walking to school can be kidnapped, or a horse rider can fall off and snap their neck, things can happen in any scenario and compassion is always required. I don't like the victim blaming of parents who let their kids walk to school acting as if they did something wrong, same with an preteen or teenager in a pool. Reality often doesn't align with perfect, and we must still show compassion when something goes wrong, not just instantly blame and say it was inevitable, when perhaps they swam 99 times before without an issue and it wasn't really fair to call it inevitable. Often when you look into these stories when it comes to pools it really come down to one of three scenarios.

  1. The child frankly couldn't swim and lacked ability.
  2. A shallow water blackout, a terrible thing that affects sadly strong swimmers.
  3. A medical episode, such as a seizure.
  4. A total freak accident, ala hair getting caught in a pool drain or the like.

Education is key, ensuring children themselves understand specific hazards is key. Saying to a preteen "you might drown" is pointless, better to teach of hyper specific hazards, such as the dangers of breath holding and shallow water blackout, currents, rip-tides, cold water shock, spinal injuries etc. Not to scare them, but to make them understand all the things that can go wrong, to respect the water and its power.
The other uncomfortable one was that someone else could drag them under if they begin to panic, or even if the child was acting the hero (as is a normal gut react, to help). Drowning doesn't just happen, there's always a reason. A healthy preteen who is a good swimmer won't just randomly drown in a pool out of nowhere, there's always a reason for it.
And for many, that reason is enough to always watch them, but I can perfectly understand those more loose as well and I honestly cannot judge them, at the end of the day, these can be truly freak accidents.

For my part, I simply followed the pool rules at the location. If it said nobody under 12 without a parent, then that was that, no matter if I thought my son was fine at 11, I allowed the sign be my backup there. Mercifully I didn't come across many pools that said 10.
Although my irrational fear was more an adult of ill-intention targeting him because he liked to wear speedos. My son wanted to wear speedos swimming, I let him. It's his choice and that's fantastic, I'd never wish to victim blame him no more than a girl in a bikini. A child child should be allowed to express. But I'd be lying if I said I wasn't more willing to go with him at a hotel pool, not because I thought he'd drown, but because a fear someone might see him alone and chat him up. But then I could never judge another who didn't have these fears and wasn't thinking down those lines.

Bottom line is, for older children who drown in pools. Have compassion to them and their parents.

hardtocare · 06/06/2025 13:11

I think you’re probably spot on that it was easier in a way because you were solely responsible. When there’s more than one of you, you sometimes think someone else is watching the kids. I once found my neighbour’s one year old in the street. They were having a family party, the door was unlocked and everyone thought someone else was watching her. I feel like this could be similar