Please or to access all these features

AIBU?

Share your dilemmas and get honest opinions from other Mumsnetters.

Children drowning on holiday.

288 replies

Nextdoormat · 06/06/2025 10:22

Another week where in the news a poor toddler (2) has drowned on holiday. Devastating for parents. I am not casting blame or being goady, but how can we make it clearer that someone needs to watch a child 100% of the time if near water.
As a single parent I did take my kids on holiday where there were pools but they always had arm bands on when they couldn't swim properly and I never took my eyes off them, so no reading a book, snoozing, chatting and being distracted.
Perhaps it was easier when I had sole responsibility. Once my DS2 at the time aged 4 was just walking by the pool and another kid just pushed him in at the deep end. I jumped in fully clothed with sunglasses on and pulled him out, if I wasn't watching I could have been that parent grieving.
My heart goes out to the parents, what was supposed to be a holiday making memories turned on it's head.

OP posts:
Thread gallery
8
Theseventhmagpie · 06/06/2025 17:59

FunnysInLaJardin · 06/06/2025 13:37

strikes me as an opportunity to judge tbh

I’m on the fence about whether this thread is in good taste or not but if it reminds us all of the absolute need to be vigilant with children around water then it’s not totally without merit. I found the link to the silent drowning article particularly helpful with its description of what drowning really looks like.

Laura931 · 06/06/2025 17:30

Profpudding · 06/06/2025 17:08

Can I also add to the conversation please? If you have DD’s with long hair their hair and tie it up we had a near miss with one of ours doing a mermaid impression where off duty police officer pointed out to us that if her hair got caught in one of the filters there would be nothing anybody could do to save her.

Very good point and I’m sure it’s been said many times but I worry about this influencer-inspired trend/‘aesthetic’ of putting kids in beige everything. The more garishly bright the swimwear the better.

AcquadiP · 06/06/2025 17:28

This reminds of a holiday a few years ago when three young kids (7 or 8 years old) were playing at the foot of the steps that lead onto the beach when the tide was in. I spotted them whilst walking my dog about 8pm in the evening. I walked along to the top of the steps and shouted down to them that it was dangerous to play there as one large wave would be powerful enough to sweep them into the sea. I asked them to come back up onto safer ground which they did. There were no adults in sight and I couldn't believe their parents had left them to their own devices. Terrifying!

Purplehat123 · 06/06/2025 17:26

This is why my husband I have decided to avoid holiday rentals with pools until the kids are much much older. We are renting a house in France and specifically got one without a pool - otherwise I would be spending the entire time having to watch my kids like a hawk which just isn’t feasible. I would rather just have the danger removed completely. Same with hotels with pools - we don’t sit by the pool or anywhere near it. Going to the pool is a planned activity as part of the day where myself and/or my husband take the kids in and play etc and then we leave the pool area altogether and go somewhere else.

FlightCommanderPRJohnson · 06/06/2025 17:22

Perhaps we need some hard-hitting public information campaigns, like this one from the 1970s.

Theroadt · 06/06/2025 17:20

Actually I don’t think many people on this thread are being judgy

eqpi4t2hbsnktd · 06/06/2025 17:18

We recently went on holiday with a family where the mum and dad sat in the bar "watching" the kids. I pointed out the bar was in a building, on a roof garden. To get to the pool in an emergency you would either need to jump off a single storey building or run down a flight of stairs.
I took my drink and sat by the pool. Some parents are weird.

Profpudding · 06/06/2025 17:08

Can I also add to the conversation please? If you have DD’s with long hair their hair and tie it up we had a near miss with one of ours doing a mermaid impression where off duty police officer pointed out to us that if her hair got caught in one of the filters there would be nothing anybody could do to save her.

BogRollBOGOF · 06/06/2025 17:03

thismummyslife · 06/06/2025 17:01

I even end up watching other people’s kids around the pool on holiday, never switch off, even when I didn’t have my own child!

I've often gained random bored children because their parents are off elsewhere and I look like fun because I'm playing with my DCs

Awkward when it's time to go and I have no idea who's supervising them...

thismummyslife · 06/06/2025 17:01

I even end up watching other people’s kids around the pool on holiday, never switch off, even when I didn’t have my own child!

Lighteningstrikes · 06/06/2025 16:42

I’m surprised in this day and age that some parents are still unaware that drowning is the biggest cause of death in under 5s 🥲

Isometimeswonder · 06/06/2025 16:36

Neon swimwear. Even for adults.

LowDownBoyStandUpGuy · 06/06/2025 16:31

It can happen to anyone obviously just one second of looking away etc but alcohol on holiday plays a massive part in a lot of these incidents. Parents are often drinking from as early as possible, I just watched a TikTok today from a Brit on holiday abroad saying in one breath how her ND three year old was obsessed with the pool and then in the next how she was so chilled out because she had been drinking cocktails all day. Severe lack of common sense because those two things are just a recipe for disaster.

BoredZelda · 06/06/2025 16:30

Not casting blame or being goady, but…. then go on to assume nobody was watching the child.

Accidents happen whether you are watching or not.

mumofoneAlonebutokay · 06/06/2025 16:26

MyKindHiker · 06/06/2025 12:26

Lol my autistic son had a total melt down when he was young for same reason wanted to jump in Thames! Glad it’s not just us, he had to be restrained to stop him jumping

Omg glad its not just us too 😭. Bless him, i think the kids must've thought it was a giant swimming pool!

Initially I had no idea why she was sobbing and then it dawned on me and my blood ran cold 🥺

Reallyneedsaholiday · 06/06/2025 16:21

Raise awareness? Absolutely!
Educate? Please do
Point the finger and blame grieving parents? Just don’t!
Each and every one of us has at least one child (one assumes, or we wouldn’t be on this site), and each and every one of us has at some point taken our eyes off a child, and have simply been “lucky” that in that moment, we didn’t lose them. Not by dint of how great or perfect a parent we are but by pure “luck”. We ALL “do our best”, we all “try”, but at some point every one of us will fail to meet the standard of perfect or enquired to ensure our children’s absolute safety. They will fall, they will run, they will get sick, they will be in car accidents, they will get in trouble, as they get older they will try alcohol or drugs, they will build fires in the woods, they will take risks. That’s life.

Notyomama · 06/06/2025 16:17

Oh and as an additional bit of paranoia, I have drummed into my children over and over that they must never, ever dive into water unless it's a swimming pool that specifically allows diving, with signs that show the depth. A friend of my sister's was paralysed after diving into a pool on holiday and I've heard of a few other instances of serious injuries due to diving.

Notyomama · 06/06/2025 16:12

It surprises me when people say 'you can't watch your child every minute.' Yes you can, especially around water. When my kids were little, my absolute non-negotiable was that an adult had to have a hand on each child at all times. Not just watching them, physically touching them. If one adult had to get out of the pool, the child had to get out too and go with them. At no point would I ever be responsible for both children. My DS is now nearly 6 foot and a strong swimmer so he can go on his own, but my DD (12) is a rubbish swimmer so I never let her in the water on her own. I don't hold onto her but I don't let her go more than a few feet away and I'm aware of her at all times.

My mother nearly drowned as an adult. She was a strong swimmer, but someone accidentally hit her in the head and she got dizzy and went under. Luckily she got back up, but had she been more woozy, it would have only taken a couple of minutes for her to die.

Water is incredibly dangerous. I am super paranoid around it and treat it as a constant threat. I love the sea, I love swimming, but I never take it for granted.

Runningmummm · 06/06/2025 15:57

JessicaDing · 06/06/2025 13:11

Water should really be considered such a hazard for anyone under fives. Baths, buckets, fish ponds, lakes near playgrounds. A swimming pool is such a thing that needs to be taken seriously, I suspect on holidays if someone has one in their villa or airbnb backyard they might just not be used to it and don't think about how easily a child could just slip out side and wander over. Even for home-owners, the anxiety I would have around one, even fully fenced until they're at least 7 would be intense.

Ages 5-10 is hard, because they can seem so confident, but they also can panic easily, tire out easily, make questionable choices and all the sorts. It's just such an awful risk. But also, one needs to learn how to swim and I really do question the over use of floaties, paddlejumpers and even lifejackets if it is holding back the increased skill of swimming. I think the problem is how one defines "swimming" is hard.
A news stories might say "a child drowned while swimming in the sea", but the details might be they were wading up to their knees then a rouge wave hit them, and washed them out. Well, I'd hardly say they were swimming before that. So circumstance and context is so important.

Also the main issue of drowning being so damn silent. No screaming or flailing, be it so simple. Or the assumption that a hotel pool has a lifeguard, and that lifeguards themselves are babysitters (I don't like that mindset).

I am more forgiving than most on news stories when a children is 10+ drowns, I don't like jumping to the "where are the parents??" style comments one often sees as a first gut reaction. Anyone who really thinks about preteen and teenage behaviour knows that very easily they could go to a lake, river or friend's pool without a parent really being in the loop on such a thing. And while it's easy to be a perfect parent online, real life is much harder. If you have a child who is 11 or 12, who is a perfectly fantastic swimmer and has never shown a sense of fault in their life. Then while letting them going to swim in a backyard pool or hotel pool without supervision while might at be to many ill-advised on paper, we need to be real here and admit it's more normal than people might like to admit (and many would never admit letting it happen). Pretending it isn't helpful.

I'm not endorsing it, but just how a child walking to school can be kidnapped, or a horse rider can fall off and snap their neck, things can happen in any scenario and compassion is always required. I don't like the victim blaming of parents who let their kids walk to school acting as if they did something wrong, same with an preteen or teenager in a pool. Reality often doesn't align with perfect, and we must still show compassion when something goes wrong, not just instantly blame and say it was inevitable, when perhaps they swam 99 times before without an issue and it wasn't really fair to call it inevitable. Often when you look into these stories when it comes to pools it really come down to one of three scenarios.

  1. The child frankly couldn't swim and lacked ability.
  2. A shallow water blackout, a terrible thing that affects sadly strong swimmers.
  3. A medical episode, such as a seizure.
  4. A total freak accident, ala hair getting caught in a pool drain or the like.

Education is key, ensuring children themselves understand specific hazards is key. Saying to a preteen "you might drown" is pointless, better to teach of hyper specific hazards, such as the dangers of breath holding and shallow water blackout, currents, rip-tides, cold water shock, spinal injuries etc. Not to scare them, but to make them understand all the things that can go wrong, to respect the water and its power.
The other uncomfortable one was that someone else could drag them under if they begin to panic, or even if the child was acting the hero (as is a normal gut react, to help). Drowning doesn't just happen, there's always a reason. A healthy preteen who is a good swimmer won't just randomly drown in a pool out of nowhere, there's always a reason for it.
And for many, that reason is enough to always watch them, but I can perfectly understand those more loose as well and I honestly cannot judge them, at the end of the day, these can be truly freak accidents.

For my part, I simply followed the pool rules at the location. If it said nobody under 12 without a parent, then that was that, no matter if I thought my son was fine at 11, I allowed the sign be my backup there. Mercifully I didn't come across many pools that said 10.
Although my irrational fear was more an adult of ill-intention targeting him because he liked to wear speedos. My son wanted to wear speedos swimming, I let him. It's his choice and that's fantastic, I'd never wish to victim blame him no more than a girl in a bikini. A child child should be allowed to express. But I'd be lying if I said I wasn't more willing to go with him at a hotel pool, not because I thought he'd drown, but because a fear someone might see him alone and chat him up. But then I could never judge another who didn't have these fears and wasn't thinking down those lines.

Bottom line is, for older children who drown in pools. Have compassion to them and their parents.

Your post was so sensible till it got to chatting up a child in speedos Confused

buttercupcake · 06/06/2025 15:56

A lot of drownings happen during non swim times. Everyone knows to be vigilant when children are swimming, but it’s often the case that a child will find their way to water without you knowing.

That’s why there needs to be layers of protection. If you have a pool you need to have alarms on your outside doors, a self closing pool fence, a pool net, don’t leave toys in the pool when you’re finished etc.

It’s also about being vigilant when you’re out of your environment. On holiday, at a villa, at a pool party at a friends.

Whatnodule · 06/06/2025 15:53

I almost drowned as a child in our pool in our garden (abroad). It was a case of that all the adults (4) in the house thought someone else was watching me.
I only survived because I was able to use my tricycle that was slowly sinking to pull myself up to reach the edge of the pool. It was in the deep end and I had not yet learnt to swim without armbands etc.

Dwimmer · 06/06/2025 15:51

fffiona · 06/06/2025 15:35

I remember when DD was about three, we were walking along the beach and she was walking through pools in the sand. One was a bit deeper than she thought (although still well below her waist) and she fell. I was standing right by her, but what shocked me was she made no effort to stand up - just lay under the water until I waded in and pulled her out. I still don't know what had happened if I hadn't got to her in seconds, but I always think of this when I see the adverts for "drowning doesn't look like drowning" as she made no effort to struggle or help herself.

I think people quite often don’t think to try and stand up. We regularly take our children to a large boating pond where you can hire boats. It is naturalistic has various islands so people might not realise it is not just a lake and is only 2 foot deep. They have big signs up saying ‘if you fall in, stand up’ because people will panic and not realise how shallow it is. (children get life vests, and adults too if they want them).

spoonbillstretford · 06/06/2025 15:50

Redpeach · 06/06/2025 15:34

What about people who grow up next to the sea, lakes and rivers, they can't be fenced off

DD1 actually fell into the river when she was about six but swum herself out before I had to jump in. It was a spot where we swim, but not in our clothes in April.

SENNeeds2 · 06/06/2025 15:50

What we do is what australia does - cheap swimming lessons for kids from the time they are babies. They are taught if they fall in water how to paddle to the side and go hand over hand on the edge until they reach a place they can get out. Small children who have lessons get out of the pool after a lesson this way every single time. Also taught to float on their backs if in danger. They are also given the experience of what it feels like to suddenly be underwater so its not a shock for them and what to do when this happens. remember my six month old twins being taught this when we went on holiday there and they had a couple of lessons.

PabloTheGreat · 06/06/2025 15:49

Redpeach · 06/06/2025 15:34

What about people who grow up next to the sea, lakes and rivers, they can't be fenced off

We grew up beside the sea, our extended family in the fishing trade and all of them have a healthy respect for what the sea is capable of and will never take chances. Generally my cousins and us would be far more helicopter parents than the norm because we hear the local tragedies and know the sea.

So we had rules as kids. Non negotiable ones, and dad taught us to swim as soon as we were toddlers, and we learned basic water safety like floating. We never went down the shore without an approved older sibling or adult in with us. Not obeying an instruction meant we all went home immediately. So we behaved to stay at the beach longer!

On holidays our rule is the buddy system. Dad or I get in the water with DS and never stray further than grabbing distance. DS had all the swimming lessons in all the levels but we all do a little refresher before we go on holiday.

In September we plan to enrol him into club swimming and junior lifeguard, mainly to hammer home water safety.

Swipe left for the next trending thread