Angry about lenient sentence for murder of elderly man in park

Wow, who are you to decide that an older man’s worth is less that a young person’s? Sure, if that was your father, you’d have valued him more?

Surely unduly lenient sentencing and should be reviewed.

Are you saying an elderly persons life is worth more than a younger persons? If anything surely it’s worth less, the man was 80 so probably didn’t have many years left anyway. I’m not saying that makes it okay or less horrific, but are you really saying they should have got longer because the man was elderly than they would have if they’d killed a 20 year old, 40 year old, 60 year old?

What about Robert Thompson who killed James Bulger. Is he not proof of someone who has come through the system and punishment has worked for him.

The Moors murderer Ian Brady wrote a fascinating book on violent criminality while in prison. (Iirc it is still available to buy on Amazon).

Much of the book is egotistical, sociopathic nonsense from the broken brain of a twisted child abuser - but he does argue that teenagers who commit horrific crimes are already damaged beyond repair and should be removed from society. Brady was caught tying a boy to a lamppost and torturing him when he was only 10 or 11 years old, and several years in an adolescent rehabilitation centre did nothing to curb his sadism. He was already a rapist-murderer in the making by the time he met Myra Hindley. In his opinion, sadists can never change.

The Tate thrower Jonty Bravery didn't stop at throwing a child off a tall building, either - he raped a fellow inmate, and violently bludgeoned a prison nurse, just months after being jailed.

One of Brianna Ghey's killers was also plotting more attacks while in youth prison. The Manchester arena bomber tried to kill a prison officer recently. The James Bulger killers carried on being child sex offenders. These leopards rarely change their spots.

To target a vulnerable, frail 80 year old is blatantlysociopathic. I'd also agree there was a racial element, and the boy didn't target an Asian boy his own age or even a middle aged woman... he picked a defenseless old man.

I could of course be wrong, but I can't imagine he will become a paragon of the community on release. The fact he tried to 'frame' Mr Kholi with such a blatant, laughable lie points to the kind of arrogant, personality disordered thinking that will likely make it impossible to reform him.

I can understand the hope that young teenagers might be able to grow as people and still make a decent life, so I can understand the wish to rehabilitate. I also understand that the boy had a dysfunctionai upbringing. So I suppose they have to be given a chance due to their ages. I agree the sentences should have been longer though.

However very sadly I don't know if somebody capable of knocking a defenceless old man to the ground and kicking him, then filming it could ever become a decent person. Especially the boy who told a pack of lies about poor Mr Kohli, claiming he had a knife and the boy was defending the girl from him. Ridiculous. Insulting his memory and giving his family more grief.

The judge saw through the boy's 'remorse', however he made ill judged remarks about the attack not being racially motivated. Clearly it was, imo. I should think the Asian community in Leicester will be furious about this and I wouldn't blame them.

What a vile comment! You should be ashamed for saying this man's life was worth less than a younger person's. I'm sure your parents and grandparents are very proud.

Come on Keir, where will justice come from, if it doesn't come from you?

The Home Secretary, presumably, since Justice is their remit and nothing to do with the PM.

Are you saying an elderly persons life is worth more than a younger persons? If anything surely it’s worth less, the man was 80 so probably didn’t have many years left anyway. I’m not saying that makes it okay or less horrific, but are you really saying they should have got longer because the man was elderly than they would have if they’d killed a 20 year old, 40 year old, 60 year old?

Are you saying an elderly persons life is worth more than a younger persons? If anything surely it’s worth less, the man was 80 so probably didn’t have many years left anyway. I’m not saying that makes it okay or less horrific, but are you really saying they should have got longer because the man was elderly than they would have if they’d killed a 20 year old, 40 year old, 60 year old?

It’s 10 in England. Different elsewhere in uk.

they are still children and this is therefore taken into account sentencing.

Imagine laughing at an old man being beaten to death. These aren't human, there is no rehabilitation for that level of depravity.

Yes, I absolutely understand that the offenders are children. I’ve worked with children for over 30 years. 12 and 14 year olds know right from wrong (apart from a very small minority).

The legal age of criminal responsibility in this country is 10. They committed a crime and should be punished accordingly, within the law.

But the fact that the judge declared that the attack wasn’t racially motivated is causing serious concern. Many, many people think that it was because of the language used by the defendants. If it the judge had decided that there was a racial element to the attack, the sentences would most likely have been longer.

Judges do make mistakes when sentencing and I think these sentences need to be reviewed as unduly lenient.