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wherethestreetshaveasillyname · 04/06/2025 08:56

I just moved into small business premises locally and people have been asking for the address.

Now the street shares the name with a North American location that’s semi well-known in the UK - to avoid outing myself, let’s call it Illinois Street (it’s similar).

But every time I pronounce it (ill-ih-NOY street), I get blank looks. Then, when I describe the location, I get “ah you mean ill-ih-nwahh street!” and a raised ‘are you a bit stupid’ eyebrow.

What should I do?

A)keep saying it correctly

B) say it like everyone else seems to- but then look weird when I encounter someone who says it correctly

C) do as I am currently and long-windedly doing and say “oh it’s on Illinois Street, or, ill-i-nwa street as people seem to pronounce it round here.

(this is life-and-death and not at all lighthearted btw)

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DoctorRoseReturns · 04/06/2025 11:59

It also makes me think of the recent Hyundai adverts. Everyone I've ever heard say it says "Hi-un-die" but then the advert came out that we've all been saying it wrong and it should be "Hey-un-dai" (rough writing out)

Or how IKEA was always Eye-key-ah until recently when it's now Ick-Ear

Gasp0deTheW0nderD0g · 04/06/2025 11:58

CaptainMyCaptain · 04/06/2025 10:11

There is/was a Council estate in Deptford called Pepys Estate after Samuel Pepys (peeps) who had local connections. Everyone local called it Peppys.

Yes! See also Pepys Road in SE14. My parents-in-law grew up round there and always talked about Peppies Road. My FIL lived as a boy on a nearby street, Avignon Road, which he pronounced with the stress on the second syllable and a hard g. I don't know if the locals there do that now.

Menzies - this is from Wikipedia.

The traditional Scottish pronunciation of the name is /ˈmɪŋɪs/ ⓘ MING-iss, reflecting the spelling of the name as Menȝies, using the letter ⟨ȝ⟩ (yogh). The current spelling arose when yogh fell out of use in the Scots language and was replaced with the similar-looking tailed variant (z) of the letter ⟨z⟩.[4]
However, outside Scotland the name is often given the pronunciation /ˈmɛnziːz/ MEN-zeez, reflecting the current spelling.

A Scottish limerick plays on the traditional pronunciation:

There wis a young lassie named Menzies,
That askit her aunt whit this thenzies.
Said her aunt wi a gasp,
"Ma dear, it's a wasp,
An you're haudin the end whaur the stenzies!"[a]

Grin
Chints · 04/06/2025 11:58

Acc0untant · 04/06/2025 11:48

Is High Wycombe not pronounced as High Wickham then?

Yes, I wouldn't expect everyone to have heard of High Wycombe, and round here I think people's first thought would be Wickham like the horse fair.

PickAChew · 04/06/2025 11:56

I live on a street that people can't pronounce. It's named after a local landmark. People also add extra letters to make it make sense to them, as in ill-inK-nwah!

I quietly correct them and, if local, mention the landmark.

thetemptationofchocolate · 04/06/2025 11:56

My favourite one is Woolfardisworthy in Devon (fortunately not on a railway line so no confused passengers) which is pronounced 'Woolsery'.

DoctorRoseReturns · 04/06/2025 11:54

IfYouPutASausageInItItsNotAViennetta · 04/06/2025 11:31

Thank you! I was thinking about that too when somebody mentioned Loughborough upthread.

Dave Gorman is just amazing!

I can't hear Loughborough without thinking of this episode.

He really does capture annoyances with modern life perfectly

Sunnyday321 · 04/06/2025 11:53

Tallisker · 04/06/2025 11:46

See also Mirus (Mirehouse) and Sebberum (Sebergham). Oh, and Spyatri (Aspatria) 😁

Oh yes good old Spyatri !

Wickedgreengirl · 04/06/2025 11:53

Locally we have an area and roads with the title of Bevois Valley but the local pronunciation is bee-vis rather than be-vwar. It catches out those not from Southampton (particularly a very posh man I worked with a long time ago!). I’d go with the local pronunciation.

Chints · 04/06/2025 11:52

YY @VenusClapTrap Stiffkey is another one, of F&B Stiffkey Blue fame. Apparently it's a village in Norfolk pronounced Stew-ky.

WitcheryDivine · 04/06/2025 11:51

Do option B. If you’re new to the street/area and setting up a business acting like the current inhabitants are ignorant isn’t going to do you any favours.

Why do you think the American version is “right” anyway? What is habitually used becomes “right” over time, that’s how language often works.

Katemax82 · 04/06/2025 11:49

I get strange looks when I pronounce Ralph Lauren properly ( as in the name Lauren, not LOH-wren)

mezlou84 · 04/06/2025 11:49

Always say it how locals do. There's a few that are pronounced differently to the spelling. You will look like an outsider and keep making yourself an outsider pronouncing it wrong. Pronounce the local way then if it's an address say it's spelled as you would pronounce the American way

Saracen · 04/06/2025 11:48

Gee, Toto, I don't think we're in Kansas anymore. 😂

Pronounce it the way the locals do.

When the street was first named, you might have had a good case for using the American pronunciation of the place it was named after. But it now has an established pronunciation, and that is what the people who live there use.

Acc0untant · 04/06/2025 11:48

Bromptotoo · 04/06/2025 11:47

How do other local people pronounce it?

I lived for a while in the eighties in Wycombe Gardens. On about every third occasion people read back the spelling as Whickham. Even when I said 'as in High Wycombe' some still got it wrong.

Is High Wycombe not pronounced as High Wickham then?

gethighlikeplanes · 04/06/2025 11:47

slashlover · 04/06/2025 10:56

My parents stay near Newmilns (New-Mills) close to Strathaven (Stray-ven)

Strathaven is a great one!

There’s an endless list of places I have pronounced wrong despite being born and bred here, including

Hawick
Burntisland
Drumsagard
Leven
Drymen

Best one I’ve heard though was Dumb-Fries (from an American I met in Leeds) and forever more Dumfries is now known as StupidChips in our house 😂

Bromptotoo · 04/06/2025 11:47

How do other local people pronounce it?

I lived for a while in the eighties in Wycombe Gardens. On about every third occasion people read back the spelling as Whickham. Even when I said 'as in High Wycombe' some still got it wrong.

suki1964 · 04/06/2025 11:47

I live in Northern Ireland

We have
Magherberry - Pronounced Magabry
Portglenone - Portglenown

Ahoghill - Ahogal

And a zillion more

Radio 2 travel news totally mutilate the names of our roads and towns and google maps has me in fits when Im using it for directions

AstonUniversityPotholeDepartment · 04/06/2025 11:46

Accordingly to legend, locals used to prounounce Cirencester as Sister, to go with Bister (Bicester), but that's been lost.

Tallisker · 04/06/2025 11:46

Sunnyday321 · 04/06/2025 09:15

I live in West Cumbria . There are lots of places that are pronounced differently from how a non local person may say it .

For example , Torpenhow I expect you would say Tor-pen-how . When most around here say T'penna or Trepenna .

See also Mirus (Mirehouse) and Sebberum (Sebergham). Oh, and Spyatri (Aspatria) 😁

VenusClapTrap · 04/06/2025 11:44

There’s a village in Sussex called Keymer. People (locals and visitors) pronounce it as you’d expect - Key 🔑. But I recently discovered that some older locals from old local families pronounce it Kymer, and apparently that is how it used to be pronounced. But language evolves. In another generation I suspect the old pronunciation will be lost completely.

It actually makes sense it would be Kymer, as other Sussex place names pronounce y as in eye, e.g. Ardingly.

I find the evolution of language fascinating.

Y2ker · 04/06/2025 11:40

MorrisZapp · 04/06/2025 09:03

Meet me in St Lewis, Lewis? Surely not.

I've been to St Louis. They definitely pronounce it Lewis there.

Quashsquash · 04/06/2025 11:39

It goes both ways, too. I lived once near a neighbourhood in a North American city where all the streets were named after Oxford colleges. At least at that time, the locals lived on Buhloyal rather than Balliol.

zingally · 04/06/2025 11:38

Elbowpatch · 04/06/2025 11:18

Place names develop their own local pronunciation

Daventry: Dane tree or Danetre

I grew up in Daventry. :) And went to Danetre school.

IfYouPutASausageInItItsNotAViennetta · 04/06/2025 11:38

Elbowpatch · 04/06/2025 11:18

Place names develop their own local pronunciation

Daventry: Dane tree or Danetre

We know of a David who originally comes from Daventry - everybody calls him Double-Dave Grin

TheNumberfaker · 04/06/2025 11:36

C
I would imagine most towns and cities have a street that is known locally by a different pronunciation to where the name comes from. We definitely have that in my town.

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