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DD unwell, had to take a day off, works reaction..

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Raincloud997 · 02/06/2025 22:53

I am a single parent and have limited childcare. My DD is in reception and was unwell today so couldn't go back in to school today after the half term. I had to ring up. My manager sounded very annoyed on the phone and said they have other staff off too, said she is struggling for cover and that I really must try and make it in tomorrow and that someone else will have to look after my DD. She also sighed before putting down the phone. I don't have a lot of time off at all, this is the first time its happened and my contract states they allow for emergency parental leave but her reaction has got me worried and I don't think I have childcare for tomorrow if she is no better by morning. What would ou do?

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Katypp · 03/06/2025 09:49

PhilippaGeorgiou · 03/06/2025 08:05

Whilst I sympathise with the OP, and in her shoes would do as she did, the responses here are largely based on quicksand - there is a vast difference between sympathy and the law.

I hate the way so many work bosses trivialise and get irritated by parents needing time off work when their young children are ill.
They are employers. Their role is to employ people who come into work and work. Childcare needs, illness etc may be unavoidable, but that does not get the work done. Your priority as a parent may be your child. Their priority as an employer is the work being done.

If you were in your 50s or 60s and called your boss to say you are a carer for your dependent and infirm husband who cannot look after himself, that he has other people to care for him whilst you are at work, but that he is ill so you need to stay at home to care for him, you would not have been met with this response from your boss.
Of course you would. Why on earth would you think it makes a difference? If anything employers are often less sympathetic towards carers for adults.

Take it as parental leave or annual leave
You need to ask for annual leave in advance and you cannot take it if it is refused. Parental leave must be taken in full weeks, unpaid and must be applied for in advance. Emergency parental leave is time off to make arrangements for your child's care, such as taking them to the doctor or making other care arrangements. It is not for childcare.

You can't be sacked for this.
Of course you can. It is unlikely if you have more than two years employment, and probably unlikely if you have less than two years and do not have a poor attendance record, but it is irresponsible to state that someone cannot be dismissed. Especially with less than two years employment it is relatively easy to dismiss somebody.

It is all very well saying an employer is unsupportive, being unreasonable etc. It is all very well saying to prioritise the child. Those are all opinions. They might be the majority opinions. But they are not the law. The manager was wrong to show her frustration about the circumstances, but she has, on technical grounds, done nothing wrong.

I do find it quite bizarre the way people regard employment has shifted massively in my working lifetime.
These days, people seem to regard it as something they do as long as there is nothing else going on in their life that needs attention, but they get paid regardless. Any hint that work should be prioritised is met with hostility.
Today's workplaces operate on fewer staff so any absence is felt more keenly. You being off will impact your fellow workers.
I'm not sure what the answer is beyond building up a network, as you absolutely can't expect work to suck it up and pay you to stay home every time your child is ill.
At the end of the day, your family are not your employer's responsibility, regardless of what the majority of pps on here think

ButterCrackers · 03/06/2025 09:48

K0OLA1D · 03/06/2025 09:45

Well its you that's living on another planet. I can wfh now, but would have stopped off, as would dp. I also had my parents/in laws and my nan. So I have a network. I know people that don't and would never in a million years call a random person to babysit their young, sick child.

I never said random - check my posts. I’ve said meet in advance - of course you don’t know when your child will be sick as pointed out here - but you can check out the organisations in advance. WFH isn’t always possible. All the posters here advocating no support network and endless time off for kid sick at home - no wonder single parents can find it hard to get a job. I’d certainly be hesitant to employ someone with absolutely who had no intention of finding childcare. Statutory rights in place - it’s not time off all the time.

greencartbluecart · 03/06/2025 09:48

You do need to be prepared for this and of course if lots of people are off the strsss on the manager will be immense

these systems are there to help us but we also need to recognise the costs and be mindful

so YANBU to take the leave but yabu to not recognise the position and stress that places on others and you would be unreasonable if you don’t start to think about emergency plans - when you can’t take the day off or where you are in hospital yourself

Shittyhouse · 03/06/2025 09:48

Carriemac · 03/06/2025 09:40

I had an lady - a neighbour who used to babysit for me when mine weee small and would sit with a sick child for me if I had to to work. I paid her well and the kids were fond of her . You need a network, barring one day emergency leave a sick child is not your employers problem

I helped my friends over the school holidays, but I would never look after a sick child. The reason is simple — I didn’t want to get sick and miss my part-time job. My child needed to stay healthy and not miss school, and my husband had to work.

ButterCrackers · 03/06/2025 09:46

LowDownBoyStandUpGuy · 03/06/2025 09:35

I’ve just googled ‘local babysitters’ and there are none here so again what is someone supposed to do? There is not some huge list of people sitting waiting by the phone to drop everything on one days notice and spend the day cleaning up some random child’s vomit.

Take a deep dive into local childcare resources. You’ll need to contact child carers and babysitters. Unless you live remotely there should be local help available. Ask at work what others have for paid childcare. It’s difficult to build a support network as it invokes time and planning but it’s definitely achievable.

Blueberry111 · 03/06/2025 09:45

Take her in with you at work and look after her there, make her lie on the floor if needed to rest and let everyone at work know your boss forced you to come it so you didn’t have a choice and make your boss feel guilty. Makes me mad the lack of understanding from employers for parents. So greedy and selfish they are.

PrettyPuss · 03/06/2025 09:45

I have always said that my children come first. Luckily, I have a great manager but OP, it is not your fault that there are others off sick and that your work can't cover it. Look after your daughter and don't feel guilty.

K0OLA1D · 03/06/2025 09:45

ButterCrackers · 03/06/2025 09:40

Tell me! Another women should stay at home poster…

Well its you that's living on another planet. I can wfh now, but would have stopped off, as would dp. I also had my parents/in laws and my nan. So I have a network. I know people that don't and would never in a million years call a random person to babysit their young, sick child.

Bbq1 · 03/06/2025 09:44

GRex · 02/06/2025 23:04

It is normal to be expected to try to find some other childcare for run of the mill illnesses. Can your ex do a day? Do you have the funds to book a babysitting service like Koru / sitters / etc? Or is there any work you could do from home to be useful while not fully present? You can use the emergency parental leave, but trying to minimise how much time you take is a fair expectation from employers.

I wouldn't read too much into her sighing, she told you that a bunch of people are off, she's having a really shitty day with a lot to sort out. Don't take her stress reaction personally unless she actually creates an issue when you return to work.

I sympathise with Op's position and think she should hold firm for PL but I don't think you can expect s sitter you've never met before to care for your sick child.

Saladleaves17 · 03/06/2025 09:42

To be honest, peoples opinions on this about getting a babysitter etc don’t really matter. What matters is the law. Emergency parental leave is for just that - unexpected emergencies. You’re entitled to it for a reasonable amount of time which isn’t set in law as a specific amount of time, but 1 or 2 days most employers would considerable to be reasonable, sometimes longer if something serious has happened (which it doesn’t sound like it has), but after that your employer is within their rights to expect you to get back to work or you will need to take unpaid leave/annual leave to cover your absence.

You need to use the time you have today to find alternative childcare arrangements for your child, ie family/friends/external childcare etc as you have a commitment to work and if you can’t find that cover you need to let your employer know asap. It’s not nice, I’m a mum too so I know how challenging it is when they are ill and you need to juggle both, but unfortunately that’s life.

That being said, it’s not your problem other people are also off sick and that should have been kept quiet. I would imagine after receiving several calls this morning from several members of staff your manager just let her emotions out really without thinking and sighed a bit prematurely whilst hanging up.

ButterCrackers · 03/06/2025 09:42

Dodgethis · 03/06/2025 09:41

Do you leave your 4 year old old with a stranger when they are ill?

Did you?

ButterCrackers · 03/06/2025 09:41

Carriemac · 03/06/2025 09:40

I had an lady - a neighbour who used to babysit for me when mine weee small and would sit with a sick child for me if I had to to work. I paid her well and the kids were fond of her . You need a network, barring one day emergency leave a sick child is not your employers problem

Exactly but many here think that single parents don’t need such a network and/or it doesn’t exist.

Dodgethis · 03/06/2025 09:41

GRex · 03/06/2025 05:49

Well, they will need to cover that. OP isn't immune from becoming ill. The point with the emergency leave is that it isn't preventable, but people are genuinely expected to get back to work as soon as they can, so that first day off involves trying to get childcare. We haven't heard yet if OP has tried babysitters.

Do you leave your 4 year old old with a stranger when they are ill?

ButterCrackers · 03/06/2025 09:40

K0OLA1D · 03/06/2025 09:38

Is Mars nice this time of year?

Tell me! Another women should stay at home poster…

Carriemac · 03/06/2025 09:40

inamarina · 03/06/2025 09:32

But would those people just sit around and wait in case OP’s child gets sick?
Surely they’d more likely to be engaged elsewhere at such short notice.
So it would have to be some random babysitter from an agency (if at all).

I had an lady - a neighbour who used to babysit for me when mine weee small and would sit with a sick child for me if I had to to work. I paid her well and the kids were fond of her . You need a network, barring one day emergency leave a sick child is not your employers problem

Shittyhouse · 03/06/2025 09:40

ButterCrackers · 03/06/2025 09:32

Having a look up on local babysitter organisations for starters.

A good babysitter will have regular clients to look after. If a babysitter is suddenly available to care for a random sick child, it’s a red flag and may not be safe to leave your child with this person

ButterCrackers · 03/06/2025 09:39

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You speak about yourself in your first question. I’ve not bothered to read the rest of your drivel.

K0OLA1D · 03/06/2025 09:38

ButterCrackers · 03/06/2025 09:19

Have a think. Organise in advance. Or course you don’t know when your child will be sick but you can arrange a support network of paid child carers.

Is Mars nice this time of year?

LowDownBoyStandUpGuy · 03/06/2025 09:37

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GertieLawrence · 03/06/2025 09:37

inamarina · 03/06/2025 09:32

But would those people just sit around and wait in case OP’s child gets sick?
Surely they’d more likely to be engaged elsewhere at such short notice.
So it would have to be some random babysitter from an agency (if at all).

Absolutely agree that it’s a nonsensical viewpoint.

However - it’s not the employer’s problem. It’s a problem the employer will want you to solve, basically.

LowDownBoyStandUpGuy · 03/06/2025 09:35

ButterCrackers · 03/06/2025 09:32

Having a look up on local babysitter organisations for starters.

I’ve just googled ‘local babysitters’ and there are none here so again what is someone supposed to do? There is not some huge list of people sitting waiting by the phone to drop everything on one days notice and spend the day cleaning up some random child’s vomit.

inamarina · 03/06/2025 09:35

ButterCrackers · 03/06/2025 09:20

I’d expect my dentist to have a support network to deal with runny nose etc.

And if they don’t? Single parent, no family nearby?
And how would you know whether it’s a runny nose or something worse?

HappilyDivorced89 · 03/06/2025 09:35

I wouldn't take it personally OP. She's probably just stressed at having to find cover for the day (on top of other people being off as well - I wouldn't envy her position on that day!) and she didn't hide it well over the phone. Don't do or say anything as you've done nothing wrong.

ButterCrackers · 03/06/2025 09:34

LowDownBoyStandUpGuy · 03/06/2025 09:30

This has given me the absolute rage on MN for years …’just phone an emergency babysitter/nanny’ these things don’t exist there is no resource at all for looking after sick children at short notice, ffs, childcare providers send children home to their parents when they are ill, no one wants to be dealing with sick kids.

Even worse was on here during the Covid lockdown people were telling those who were struggling to wfh with toddlers to hire a fucking nanny! Yes we are all locked in our homes with no travel allowed but I’m sure there are exceptions for these unicorn Nannie’s who obviously don’t want to spend lockdown with their own families but would rather break the law by going to live with people they have never met and of course work for free because most people can’t actually afford full time live in Nannie’s.

This isn’t about Covid times. Have a look locally and these child carers exist.

inamarina · 03/06/2025 09:32

ButterCrackers · 03/06/2025 09:19

Have a think. Organise in advance. Or course you don’t know when your child will be sick but you can arrange a support network of paid child carers.

But would those people just sit around and wait in case OP’s child gets sick?
Surely they’d more likely to be engaged elsewhere at such short notice.
So it would have to be some random babysitter from an agency (if at all).

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