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To resent the U-turn on winter fuel allowance?

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BlueEyedStarling · 02/06/2025 20:51

Perhaps I'm existing in a bubble, but all of the pensioners I know, are pretty well off, or comfortable, at least. I live and have older family in the South East, but my dad and his elderly partner, live in the North. Literally, all of them say they dont need the WFA, but happily accept it regardless and shouted from the rooftops when it was taken away from them. Just how long can the working age population keep paying for this increasing, triple-lock section of society who are, as a whole, the wealthiest amongst us? Personally, we fell through the gaps of being able to receive any child benefit (only just!), but have always been willing to accept that we didn't need it and therefore shouldn't have it. Is it that our middle-aged generation just dont shout as loudly about things that affect us? I do want to add that I am very aware that there are many pensioners who should be in receipt of the WFA and that the cut off was too low. Also, that our pensioners fair pretty badly in comparison to much of Europe. It seems criminal that it can't be means tested to benefit those who really do need it.

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EasternStandard · 11/06/2025 14:51

Unpaidviewer · 11/06/2025 08:57

People can debate and have different opinions on what our taxes are used to pay for.

Of course and vote for whomever gets closest too.

Araminta1003 · 11/06/2025 10:05

The biggest cost is the NHS and something like 80% of life time spend is in the last few weeks of life, for the majority of people.
If the NHS were to go, it would be bad news for the elderly in particular. We cannot take the NHS for granted either, anymore.
Instead of capitulating to the angry pensioners, perhaps Labour should have pointed that one out. We are not sure what Reform’s intentions are with the NHS! Very obvious one to point out.

chocolateismyweakness4 · 11/06/2025 10:02

BIossomtoes · 11/06/2025 09:00

Of course they can. I could say I don’t want mine to fund child benefit for people whose income is multiples of mine.

The money is for the child. And it used to not be means tested at all.

PhilippaGeorgiou · 11/06/2025 09:01

Unpaidviewer · 11/06/2025 08:57

People can debate and have different opinions on what our taxes are used to pay for.

Didn't say they couldn't, did I? I was debating and having a different opinion. And your problem with that is?

BIossomtoes · 11/06/2025 09:00

Unpaidviewer · 11/06/2025 08:57

People can debate and have different opinions on what our taxes are used to pay for.

Of course they can. I could say I don’t want mine to fund child benefit for people whose income is multiples of mine.

Unpaidviewer · 11/06/2025 08:57

PhilippaGeorgiou · 11/06/2025 07:25

As a pensioner who pays taxes but is not well off, why should I pay for schools, free childcare and rail links? Because I live in a society that has determined that collective responsibility for certain things is the way to go.

People can debate and have different opinions on what our taxes are used to pay for.

ArseInTheCoOpWindow · 11/06/2025 08:34

CaptBirdsEar · 11/06/2025 08:21

I pay my taxes so your kids can go to school, borrow books from the library. I’m a pensioner.

Yeah and we paid them too so CsptBirdsEar could go to school, hospital, catch a bus etc.

CaptBirdsEar · 11/06/2025 08:21

dynamiccactus · 10/06/2025 17:21

Such a waste of money. Why should I pay taxes for well (enough) off pensioners to heat their homes. They can heat them themselves.

I'd much rather my taxes went into schools or libraries or new rail links.

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I pay my taxes so your kids can go to school, borrow books from the library. I’m a pensioner.

PhilippaGeorgiou · 11/06/2025 07:25

dynamiccactus · 10/06/2025 17:21

Such a waste of money. Why should I pay taxes for well (enough) off pensioners to heat their homes. They can heat them themselves.

I'd much rather my taxes went into schools or libraries or new rail links.

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As a pensioner who pays taxes but is not well off, why should I pay for schools, free childcare and rail links? Because I live in a society that has determined that collective responsibility for certain things is the way to go.

Badbadbunny · 10/06/2025 18:43

Toootss · 10/06/2025 11:47

Interest on savings is taxed

Not in ISAs, not the first £1k, not if you qualify for the extra £5k savings allowance.

And no nic on interest either.

dynamiccactus · 10/06/2025 17:21

Such a waste of money. Why should I pay taxes for well (enough) off pensioners to heat their homes. They can heat them themselves.

I'd much rather my taxes went into schools or libraries or new rail links.

BIossomtoes · 10/06/2025 11:50

Badbadbunny · 09/06/2025 22:38

We certainly need unearned income to be taxed at least the same as wages, ie extend nic to ALL incomes not just wages. It’s insane that workers pay more than those on other income sources.

Workers have savings too. I can just imagine the absolute uproar if it was suggested people pay NI on the interest on their savings - and it wouldn’t all come from pensioners.

Toootss · 10/06/2025 11:47

Badbadbunny · 09/06/2025 22:38

We certainly need unearned income to be taxed at least the same as wages, ie extend nic to ALL incomes not just wages. It’s insane that workers pay more than those on other income sources.

Interest on savings is taxed

Badbadbunny · 09/06/2025 22:38

Profpudding · 09/06/2025 18:18

The hardened earned I’ve got no issue with.

The compounded interest, the unearned income. That all needs to go in tax all of it

We certainly need unearned income to be taxed at least the same as wages, ie extend nic to ALL incomes not just wages. It’s insane that workers pay more than those on other income sources.

Profpudding · 09/06/2025 18:18

DarkNovembernights · 09/06/2025 16:55

Let us not forget how much these filthy rich boomers will contribute to society when much of their hard earned fortunes are taxed at 40% upon death.

The hardened earned I’ve got no issue with.

The compounded interest, the unearned income. That all needs to go in tax all of it

jrabean · 09/06/2025 17:21

Home care for pensioners is even more expensive than childcare! And many pay rent or big service charge fees. Being old is expensive too! We should be looking after both young and old - not picking sides!

DarkNovembernights · 09/06/2025 16:55

Let us not forget how much these filthy rich boomers will contribute to society when much of their hard earned fortunes are taxed at 40% upon death.

TheNuthatch · 09/06/2025 16:47

BIossomtoes · 09/06/2025 16:30

I agree that it’s a mess. The threshold was too low to start with and now it’s too high. In all honesty I’m disappointed in this government so far and I really want to see it do better, not least because I want it to get another term. The thought of the alternative makes me feel physically sick.

Then today, for once, we agree! (Although not about Labour serving another term). Smile

chocolateismyweakness4 · 09/06/2025 16:46

jrabean · 09/06/2025 16:37

Child benefit is paid up to a massively higher income than winter fuel payment. Even higher for free childcare. The pension credit cut off is brutal and causes millions of pensioners to suffer in cold homes and end up dead or in the NHS.

People with children likely have mortgage and rent though, and childcare isn’t ‘free’, it’s a certain number of free hours spread across 52 weeks, so I understand there are still high costs even with the free element.

I don’t have kids but I don’t resent these things for parents as having kids is bloody expensive and we will be screwed if there are no children being born. I know parents on average incomes who are crippled by childcare fees, they can be higher than a mortgage.

Boomer55 · 09/06/2025 16:45

BlueEyedStarling · 02/06/2025 20:51

Perhaps I'm existing in a bubble, but all of the pensioners I know, are pretty well off, or comfortable, at least. I live and have older family in the South East, but my dad and his elderly partner, live in the North. Literally, all of them say they dont need the WFA, but happily accept it regardless and shouted from the rooftops when it was taken away from them. Just how long can the working age population keep paying for this increasing, triple-lock section of society who are, as a whole, the wealthiest amongst us? Personally, we fell through the gaps of being able to receive any child benefit (only just!), but have always been willing to accept that we didn't need it and therefore shouldn't have it. Is it that our middle-aged generation just dont shout as loudly about things that affect us? I do want to add that I am very aware that there are many pensioners who should be in receipt of the WFA and that the cut off was too low. Also, that our pensioners fair pretty badly in comparison to much of Europe. It seems criminal that it can't be means tested to benefit those who really do need it.

There’s already a thread about this.🙄

jrabean · 09/06/2025 16:37

Child benefit is paid up to a massively higher income than winter fuel payment. Even higher for free childcare. The pension credit cut off is brutal and causes millions of pensioners to suffer in cold homes and end up dead or in the NHS.

BIossomtoes · 09/06/2025 16:30

I agree that it’s a mess. The threshold was too low to start with and now it’s too high. In all honesty I’m disappointed in this government so far and I really want to see it do better, not least because I want it to get another term. The thought of the alternative makes me feel physically sick.

TheNuthatch · 09/06/2025 16:16

BIossomtoes · 09/06/2025 16:07

Because it means you and Badbadbunny would see the end of the Labour government you detest.

Not for four years. I very much doubt that this version of labour are what you voted for either if you were being honest. This WFA mess is totally self inflicted and unnecessary.
Even the u turn is a mess.

BIossomtoes · 09/06/2025 16:07

TheNuthatch · 09/06/2025 16:04

The two of you??

Why would I be delighted with an incompetent PM and Chancellor?

Because it means you and Badbadbunny would see the end of the Labour government you detest.

TheNuthatch · 09/06/2025 16:04

BIossomtoes · 09/06/2025 15:09

I’d have thought the two of you would be delighted, given how much you detest this government. Surely the more it fucks up the better?

The two of you??

Why would I be delighted with an incompetent PM and Chancellor?

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