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To think car ownership is out of control in the UK

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JacquesHarlow · 02/06/2025 13:27

I fully expect to get a vast majority of "YABU" comments, but here goes:

Firstly, before I get flamed - I am a woman, a car owner, and yes I have a driveway now (though didn't before). I am a car enthusiast in terms of the enjoyment I've got from driving and I don't have an issue with "cars" per se.

What I have an issue with is how ridiculous Britain's councils and governments are on car ownership. How cheap car ownership is. How anyone can distort the living environment around them with their choices.

Have you driven down a suburban street lately, or even an urban one?

Small and narrow Victorian streets with lines of cars packed on either side, and only room for one vehicle to drive down it. Why so many cars? The houses have been there for 150 years. Why now?

And because so many people (often fellow women, annoyingly) don't ever like reversing, you find yourself caught in the middle, having to reverse right back to the end of the street to start again.

School runs are chaos - so many cars, parking up in illegal or careless ways, purely to save a short distance walking.

And the size of cars! Absurdly large vehicles which then take up more road space on the kerbside. Yeah it is "legal" but in a decade where theoretically we want to get better as a country environmentally, most people do not give two fucks as long as their precious DCs are "safe" (you're just as safe in a NCAP 5* rated Yaris as you are in a Merc GLS, but try telling that to people where I live).

So this is the madness of today:

Cars are SO much bigger. And thanks to PCP they're cheaper - and this is why I see so many cars where I live ,and up north when I visit, and everywhere else. The PCP monthlies thing keys right into the British obsession of wanting to look and feel wealthy. Years ago a Golf or an Audi A3 would be considered posh for a family. But why would I buy a Golf when my monthly payments could get me into something BIGGER!

The one thing that isn't bigger, is the United Kingdom. I've seen councils in London paint "parking lines" half on the pavement so that people can park up on either side to let cars past. I've seen people in these Discoveries and Defenders mount kerbs at drop off time without a thought or care for who might be behind them or even aware of this being an issue.

And you can have 1 household in a street of 20 houses own 5 cars. You do the maths as to how much of the available parking is then taken away.

Why are people so aggressive and discourteous in their car ownership? What are we going to do about this?

Some of us remember 20 or 30 years ago when you could drive to another street and not have to face a x5 barrelling towards you, parked cars either side? With a tiny woman peering over the steering wheel refusing to reverse back into the space immediately behind her? But powering through so that you, in your little hatchback, have to reverse 10 car lengths to accommodate her ego and lack of driving skill?

Our city and town streets are not made for X5s, Discoveries, Range Rover Sports, and god knows what else, to be parked along the kerbside blocking out the light into tiny terraced houses.

How do we put a stop to this? I love the Japanese principle in certain cities where you have to name a parking space you own or have access to before you buy a car. Could this work here?

AIBU? How will we ever wean ourselves off this 'bigger is better, and every member of my family must have a car' mentality?

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BeNiceWhenItsFinished · 03/06/2025 14:49

TY78910 · 02/06/2025 22:15

Pleeeeeease someone tell me it’s not ‘stop the boats’ 🤣🤣🤣

I'm not sure the OP is complaining about boats clogging the high street in towns up and down the country, but you never know!😂😂⛵🚢

JustAnInchident · 03/06/2025 14:39

I wonder how much of this issue, aside from cats being bigger these days, is the fact that young people can’t afford to move out of the family home as easily anymore. This would lead to more working adults in the same household needing (to what extent could be debated of course!) vehicles to travel to work etc.
Also, less mums are sahms these days I think, again due to life costing a fortune, so where they may have been fine to pootle about with the kids by walking or using public transport, they now find themselves needing a car to commute/get the kids to nursery etc.

JenniferBooth · 03/06/2025 14:23

AlaskaThunderfuckHiiiiiiiii · 03/06/2025 14:22

I saw that thread, I was quite angry about it as yes I live in a HA house but as already stated I am a community nurse and do have a new car as I need something I can rely on for my job, it’s an older property so never had a drive

Yeah its the usual MN cognitive dissonance.

AlaskaThunderfuckHiiiiiiiii · 03/06/2025 14:22

JenniferBooth · 03/06/2025 14:16

Well housing associations can be assured in the knowledge that they dont have to thanks to the attitudes shown here ............https://www.mumsnet.com/talk/am_i_being_unreasonable/5329859-council-houses-owning-brand-new-cars

I saw that thread, I was quite angry about it as yes I live in a HA house but as already stated I am a community nurse and do have a new car as I need something I can rely on for my job, it’s an older property so never had a drive

JenniferBooth · 03/06/2025 14:16

AlaskaThunderfuckHiiiiiiiii · 03/06/2025 11:47

I’m a rural community nurse so will always need my car unfortunately, public transport just ain’t going to cut it there same for my colleagues and other home carers

i have to park on the street due to being in a HA house and having to take what they offered and it has no drive way so currently electric car is also out of the question for us

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Well housing associations can be assured in the knowledge that they dont have to thanks to the attitudes shown here ............https://www.mumsnet.com/talk/am_i_being_unreasonable/5329859-council-houses-owning-brand-new-cars

Council houses owning brand new cars? | Mumsnet

I’m writing this post with the hopes of being educated, not slandered however I completely appreciate I may be just completely shot down for askin...

https://www.mumsnet.com/talk/am_i_being_unreasonable/5329859-council-houses-owning-brand-new-cars

PinkSparklyPussyCat · 03/06/2025 14:03

Elbowpatch · 03/06/2025 13:58

I quite like the Japanese idea of having to have somewhere to park the new vehicle before you can buy one but I don't see how it can work for second-hand vehicles.

Easy. You can’t transfer ownership or tax a vehicle unless you can prove you have a parking space.

Let's make life more difficult for people who can't afford a house with a drive 🙄

Elbowpatch · 03/06/2025 13:58

I quite like the Japanese idea of having to have somewhere to park the new vehicle before you can buy one but I don't see how it can work for second-hand vehicles.

Easy. You can’t transfer ownership or tax a vehicle unless you can prove you have a parking space.

JacquesHarlow · 03/06/2025 13:42

Mrsbloggz · 03/06/2025 13:31

You are putting the cart before the horse!
We don't need bigger spaces to accommodate larger vehicles, space is finite!
We need smaller vehicles to fit into the space available.

Couldn't agree more @Mrsbloggz

The big problem is that now people have got used to these huge cars, it will be an "over my dead body are you taking them away" scenario.

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FalseSpring · 03/06/2025 13:40

I agree to some extent but it is a huge issue to tackle. I think it goes hand in hand with a loss of community. Nothing is local anymore. We need to:

Improve public transport (regularity, cleanliness, safety, convenience, routes, etc)
Increase local in-community facilities so less need for transport (doctors, dentists, minor injury units, shops, etc.)
Build new villages with centres and community facilities (see above), not bland housing estates.
Go back to the days when children attended the nearest school so most are within walking distance (if not, school buses serving the whole catchment should be available).
Allow more people to work from home or in local community multi-office hubs (with parking).
Ban commercial vehicles/motorhomes etc from overnight street parking.
Limit the number and size of vehicles parking on residential streets (permits, limits per household, etc)

I quite like the Japanese idea of having to have somewhere to park the new vehicle before you can buy one but I don't see how it can work for second-hand vehicles.

I agree that PCPs encourage people to buy bigger as they can afford it. I also wish the luxury car market would consider making more smaller cars - the best things can come in small packages!

Mrsbloggz · 03/06/2025 13:31

EveryDayisFriday · 03/06/2025 12:20

My issue are the tiny or no driveways on a lot of houses. I would never buy a house that I couldn't park at least 3 cars on my driveway. This means I'll never buy a small terrace or city centre living. Limits my options of where to live but I'm ok with that.

Car park spaces need to be larger given the bigger cars around now. Public transport only really works well in cities and suburban areas.

You are putting the cart before the horse!
We don't need bigger spaces to accommodate larger vehicles, space is finite!
We need smaller vehicles to fit into the space available.

PinkSparklyPussyCat · 03/06/2025 13:31

MikeRafone · 03/06/2025 09:02

surely a 15-20 minute journey by car would be 7 miles or more - as speed limits are 20/30mph in most areas of suburbs

It was about 3-4 miles, I can't remember exactly. It usually took that long (or longer) as there were always 'temporary' traffic lights.

Badbadbunny · 03/06/2025 13:30

Elbowpatch · 03/06/2025 13:26

Certainly agree with higher VED for larger cars

Larger cars pay higher VED already.

But not high enough. We're talking about substantial increases to make any difference.

Mrsbloggz · 03/06/2025 13:28

Monster truck manufacturers push back hard against anything which threatens profits. They will lobby the government to prevent anything which disincentivizes sales of the giant metal hulks which dominate our streets ☹️

Elbowpatch · 03/06/2025 13:26

Certainly agree with higher VED for larger cars

Larger cars pay higher VED already.

Badbadbunny · 03/06/2025 13:19

Kago2790 · 03/06/2025 12:57

This is where the 'stick' may be needed for high polluting/heavy cars. Make VED 5k or even10k a year for an SUV (based on weight) and scale down to £50 for an electric Yaris or whatever. The shift in car choice will mean small cars causing less damage to roads, take up less space for parking, less fatalities in pedestrians getting run over. This way, those that are rich/stupid enough to drive an SUV pay the shortfall. Those that do the damage pay most.

Introduce Congestion charge in city centres besides London. City centres like Manchester should not be facilitating car journeys without a significant cost to the driver. Charge a parking Levy on city centre workplace car parks. Redirect the funds to public transport. Exemptions for blue badge holders.

Certainly agree with higher VED for larger cars, but I'd also extend that to vans and pick up trucks. At the moment, such vehicles are popular with self employed (tradies who obviously need them, but others who use them just for tax perks) because of low benefit in kind rates (if a limited company) and higher capital allowances (if a sole trader). Lots of the likes of IT consultants are driving around in Mitsubishi pick up trucks because of tax relief and low BIK (thankfully the law has now changed for new purchases, but still remain the tax breaks for those already in use). Same with transit vans etc - lots of people don't actually "need" them but like the tax breaks. It all needs changing. Vans and trucks are a blight on busy residential streets and we either need to increase excise duty or reduce tax breaks for the self employed, to discourage people who don't actually need big vans from buying them.

Kago2790 · 03/06/2025 12:57

Badbadbunny · 03/06/2025 12:10

Also the government raise huge amounts of tax from cars, so they're not going to give that up AND pay for the necessary improvements in public transport. The tax rises across the population would be enormous to cover the lost revenue and increased costs.

This is where the 'stick' may be needed for high polluting/heavy cars. Make VED 5k or even10k a year for an SUV (based on weight) and scale down to £50 for an electric Yaris or whatever. The shift in car choice will mean small cars causing less damage to roads, take up less space for parking, less fatalities in pedestrians getting run over. This way, those that are rich/stupid enough to drive an SUV pay the shortfall. Those that do the damage pay most.

Introduce Congestion charge in city centres besides London. City centres like Manchester should not be facilitating car journeys without a significant cost to the driver. Charge a parking Levy on city centre workplace car parks. Redirect the funds to public transport. Exemptions for blue badge holders.

Mrsbloggz · 03/06/2025 12:50

The problems are to do with interlocking vicious circles, the larger your vehicle the more you are able to dominate the space. Everyone tries to dominate vehicles get larger and larger.
As we have more and more cars it feels less and less safe to walk or cycle anywhere. Lack of exercise means that people get fatter and fatter, exercise becomes more and more uncomfortable, you need a bigger and bigger car because you're getting fatter and fatter.
I gave up driving 15 years ago, walk or cycle wherever I need to go.

ArseInTheCoOpWindow · 03/06/2025 12:44

EveryDayisFriday · 03/06/2025 12:20

My issue are the tiny or no driveways on a lot of houses. I would never buy a house that I couldn't park at least 3 cars on my driveway. This means I'll never buy a small terrace or city centre living. Limits my options of where to live but I'm ok with that.

Car park spaces need to be larger given the bigger cars around now. Public transport only really works well in cities and suburban areas.

I live in a city. Our public transport is crap.

It seems to only work well in London and Manchester.

yakkity · 03/06/2025 12:25

JacquesHarlow · 03/06/2025 07:52

My mother is disabled, @Toastandbutterand . Has been for twenty five years.

What has disability got to do with anything here?

A disabled person living on the terraced street I lived on, and owning a car, doesn’t bother me.

a disabled person owning 5 cars including large SUVs, and parking them all along a terraced street, would bother me.

My issue is how we allow one household to own any number of cars despite the Victorian infrastructure on the kerbside. There isn’t room for 2 tonne SUVs on most of our streets. There isn’t the capacity for one family to take up 25% of the parking in one road.

why do we allow this?

and why do we allow specious arguments like yours, where you pull the disability card on me to try and discredit my perfectly credible argument?

For someone full of aggressive statements you seem very ignorant of the reasons for multi car households. The vast majority are not one person living in a house with 5 cars. With property being unobtainable you people are moving out much much later. We have more multigenerational households. We have multiple ADULTS living in a single house and just as they would if they lived in several apartments, they all need a vehicle.

people with young families have dc allocated schools too far to walk and they don’t have time to share cars as parents need to drop dc off on the way to school.

we no longer live with one working adult and one stay at home parent.

It’s about changes in the way we live way beyond how many cars we have that are driving the situation of multiple cars per household. I don’t know anyone with more than one large car/SUV. They may have multiple cars but only one is a larger one. The rest are small as they are owned by young adult dc

as for your comments on women, you lost all credibility from that point onwards

EveryDayisFriday · 03/06/2025 12:20

My issue are the tiny or no driveways on a lot of houses. I would never buy a house that I couldn't park at least 3 cars on my driveway. This means I'll never buy a small terrace or city centre living. Limits my options of where to live but I'm ok with that.

Car park spaces need to be larger given the bigger cars around now. Public transport only really works well in cities and suburban areas.

JacquesHarlow · 03/06/2025 12:18

Badbadbunny · 03/06/2025 12:10

Also the government raise huge amounts of tax from cars, so they're not going to give that up AND pay for the necessary improvements in public transport. The tax rises across the population would be enormous to cover the lost revenue and increased costs.

I think this is spot on. We will have to wait a long time to have a government brave enough to spend the money and do the proactive stuff.

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MintChocCat · 03/06/2025 12:17

Badbadbunny · 03/06/2025 12:10

Also the government raise huge amounts of tax from cars, so they're not going to give that up AND pay for the necessary improvements in public transport. The tax rises across the population would be enormous to cover the lost revenue and increased costs.

Gotta break the cycle somehow

Badbadbunny · 03/06/2025 12:10

MintChocCat · 03/06/2025 12:02

👍 agreed

Also the government raise huge amounts of tax from cars, so they're not going to give that up AND pay for the necessary improvements in public transport. The tax rises across the population would be enormous to cover the lost revenue and increased costs.

JacquesHarlow · 03/06/2025 12:08

C8H10N4O2 · 03/06/2025 11:19

From your OP:

What I have an issue with is how ridiculous Britain's councils and governments are on car ownership. How cheap car ownership is. How anyone can distort the living environment around them with their choices

Now granted you did fill up the full checklist of car whinges but your OP highlights car ownership.

I note you haven’t addressed any of my points regarding your inaccurate claims either.

But lets face it, you already have what you want from this thread.

But lets face it, you already have what you want from this thread.

Oh yeah of course @C8H10N4O2 , all I wanted to do was just goad people. 🙄

Why do some Mumsnetters do this?
They don't like your line of argument, so they have to instead try and emotionally discredit you by claiming you are a "troll" or "attention seeker".

Can't we have a debate about car ownership, or car parking, or car usage, without me being mislabelled a troll, just because some of the stuff I say is inconvenient or hit a nerve?

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MintChocCat · 03/06/2025 12:02

Digdongdoo · 02/06/2025 18:10

The only solution is to chuck vast amounts of money into public transport. Make it cheap and efficient. More frequent buses, more routes, easier connections, heavily subsidised rail travel on revamped railways. But we can't afford it, so cars and traffic jams it shall be.

👍 agreed

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