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To think car ownership is out of control in the UK

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JacquesHarlow · 02/06/2025 13:27

I fully expect to get a vast majority of "YABU" comments, but here goes:

Firstly, before I get flamed - I am a woman, a car owner, and yes I have a driveway now (though didn't before). I am a car enthusiast in terms of the enjoyment I've got from driving and I don't have an issue with "cars" per se.

What I have an issue with is how ridiculous Britain's councils and governments are on car ownership. How cheap car ownership is. How anyone can distort the living environment around them with their choices.

Have you driven down a suburban street lately, or even an urban one?

Small and narrow Victorian streets with lines of cars packed on either side, and only room for one vehicle to drive down it. Why so many cars? The houses have been there for 150 years. Why now?

And because so many people (often fellow women, annoyingly) don't ever like reversing, you find yourself caught in the middle, having to reverse right back to the end of the street to start again.

School runs are chaos - so many cars, parking up in illegal or careless ways, purely to save a short distance walking.

And the size of cars! Absurdly large vehicles which then take up more road space on the kerbside. Yeah it is "legal" but in a decade where theoretically we want to get better as a country environmentally, most people do not give two fucks as long as their precious DCs are "safe" (you're just as safe in a NCAP 5* rated Yaris as you are in a Merc GLS, but try telling that to people where I live).

So this is the madness of today:

Cars are SO much bigger. And thanks to PCP they're cheaper - and this is why I see so many cars where I live ,and up north when I visit, and everywhere else. The PCP monthlies thing keys right into the British obsession of wanting to look and feel wealthy. Years ago a Golf or an Audi A3 would be considered posh for a family. But why would I buy a Golf when my monthly payments could get me into something BIGGER!

The one thing that isn't bigger, is the United Kingdom. I've seen councils in London paint "parking lines" half on the pavement so that people can park up on either side to let cars past. I've seen people in these Discoveries and Defenders mount kerbs at drop off time without a thought or care for who might be behind them or even aware of this being an issue.

And you can have 1 household in a street of 20 houses own 5 cars. You do the maths as to how much of the available parking is then taken away.

Why are people so aggressive and discourteous in their car ownership? What are we going to do about this?

Some of us remember 20 or 30 years ago when you could drive to another street and not have to face a x5 barrelling towards you, parked cars either side? With a tiny woman peering over the steering wheel refusing to reverse back into the space immediately behind her? But powering through so that you, in your little hatchback, have to reverse 10 car lengths to accommodate her ego and lack of driving skill?

Our city and town streets are not made for X5s, Discoveries, Range Rover Sports, and god knows what else, to be parked along the kerbside blocking out the light into tiny terraced houses.

How do we put a stop to this? I love the Japanese principle in certain cities where you have to name a parking space you own or have access to before you buy a car. Could this work here?

AIBU? How will we ever wean ourselves off this 'bigger is better, and every member of my family must have a car' mentality?

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CrispEater2000 · 02/06/2025 19:17

If public transport were quicker and more reliable I'd make more use of it. I learned to drive quite late on, I was 32 and only did it because relying on buses while carting a baby, buggy, and all the related paraphernalia, was becoming too much. A 45 minute bus journey to visit family became a 10 minute drive.

I can get a train to work in the same amount of time it takes to drive, but I don't know whether the train will be running any given day, or even if I get it to work if it'll still be running when it's time to come back home, and a return ticket costs more than the petrol.

As long as public transport is run for shareholders and not as a public service it will never be fit for purpose.

minisoksmakehardwork · 02/06/2025 19:08

My take is that more people are living in multi generation households as they cannot afford a home. But they can and need to run a car for work.

nutbrownhare15 · 02/06/2025 19:06

I'm with you on the massive cars. They are so anti social. And so much more likely to kill my kid if there was an accident.

ExpressCheckout · 02/06/2025 18:57

I remember the fuel strikes twenty years or so ago. As a public transport user it was a hoot listening to all the moaning, whingeing and panic from car drivers who didn't seem able to comprehend that it was possible to walk and take a bus to work - like I did, every day.

PinkSparklyPussyCat · 02/06/2025 18:45

Redpeach · 02/06/2025 17:39

There are other ways to get to work

Not always conveniently though. I'm not working at the moment but when I was it took me 20 minutes to drive to work. If I'd used public transport it would have taken me over an hour. Where's the incentive in that? Over an hour stuck on a bus going all round the houses or 20 minutes in my car?

We're one of 'those' couples who have a car each and DH has an SUV (not 4x4 if that makes a difference) but for good reason, he can't get in and out of a lower car. He didn't want a car that size but needs must. I have a small car which I'm hanging on to as I will need to find a job soon and a lot of jobs I've seen so far around here say applicants need own transport due to location.

Puzzledandpissedoff · 02/06/2025 18:42

Yes it is a problem. Many and multiple causes. The death of the high street in favour of out of town retail parks. Housing crisis. Planning laws. Expensive and unreliable public transport

You're right, @SusanChurchouse; I was focusing on the public transport because that's the one which enrages me affter choosing a home near buses only for them be scrapped, but the death of the high street in favour of outlying retail parks is definitely another factor

My own east midlands city is now home mainly to vape shops, charity shops and aggressive beggars ... even the market closed ... so it's no longer much use even if the transport existed

JacquesHarlow · 02/06/2025 18:42

C8H10N4O2 · 02/06/2025 18:30

These threads are like irregular verbs.

I am sensible and my car is needed and I only use it for essential journeys
Yours it a bit big and you don’t need it for the school run
They should have their oversized car taken away!

Its always other peoples’ cars which are too big and used too much.

I'm not talking about how often people use their cars, or which journeys are "essential".

I'm talking about whether the amount of cars that are parked up in suburban and urban streets, can be supported long-term.

And whether we should discourage through taxation or otherwise, the ownership of enormous 4x4s which spill over the marked parking bays in many residential streets in the UK.

If you don't get these points and don't understand them @C8H10N4O2 that's absolutely fine - please feel free to move on from this thread.

but this isn't meant to be a general debate about car ownership, which of course it has become by default.

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C8H10N4O2 · 02/06/2025 18:30

These threads are like irregular verbs.

I am sensible and my car is needed and I only use it for essential journeys
Yours it a bit big and you don’t need it for the school run
They should have their oversized car taken away!

Its always other peoples’ cars which are too big and used too much.

Helpmeplease2025 · 02/06/2025 18:29

SalmonWellington · 02/06/2025 18:25

It's a useful shorthand - anyone with a stupidly big status symbol car has told you they're a selfish wanker.

Sadiq Khan, then

JacquesHarlow · 02/06/2025 18:26

beetr00 · 02/06/2025 17:36

not clever, in the slightest lovely.

Your passion is...admirable?

Ah the usual Mumsnet attempt at a slight, @beetr00

"but why are you so passionate about my insult to you?

"why are you so invested after I called you out?"

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SalmonWellington · 02/06/2025 18:25

It's a useful shorthand - anyone with a stupidly big status symbol car has told you they're a selfish wanker.

C8H10N4O2 · 02/06/2025 18:23

MagicMichaelCaine · 02/06/2025 17:23

I remember being in a course and them discussing this. A 10cm rise in bonnet height gives a 30% higher chance of the pedestrian/cyclist being killed in a collision. With pickup trucks and large SUVs there's a 90% higher chance of serious injury and 200% higher likelihood of a fatality.

What was their definition of SUV which is largely a marketing label?

SUVs range from the size of a small truck to oversized minis, there are quite a number in the smallest category. They are also very different weights and heights from each other.

Plus a lot of the increase in size/weight such as Golf now being bigger than the Golf of 20 years ago is down to increased safety standards (and in some cases electric car batteries).

Helpmeplease2025 · 02/06/2025 18:23

WestwardHo1 · 02/06/2025 18:02

No, he just does it for his own amusement. Given the type of behaviour you describe, he's not far wrong.

I'm glad it doesn't bother you though.

What behaviour have I described?

Dangermoo · 02/06/2025 18:21

Why are some people feebly justifying their mode of transport?

mumda · 02/06/2025 18:18

People sit in traffic jams bemoaning the problem that they contribute to.

Digdongdoo · 02/06/2025 18:10

The only solution is to chuck vast amounts of money into public transport. Make it cheap and efficient. More frequent buses, more routes, easier connections, heavily subsidised rail travel on revamped railways. But we can't afford it, so cars and traffic jams it shall be.

MintChocCat · 02/06/2025 18:10

Improve the railways. Part of the issue is that we have ridiculously poor public transport so people need to rely on cars as transport.

OldieButBaddie · 02/06/2025 18:06

MagicMichaelCaine · 02/06/2025 17:23

I remember being in a course and them discussing this. A 10cm rise in bonnet height gives a 30% higher chance of the pedestrian/cyclist being killed in a collision. With pickup trucks and large SUVs there's a 90% higher chance of serious injury and 200% higher likelihood of a fatality.

This alone should be good reason not to drive one!

JohnofWessex · 02/06/2025 18:06

I suggest

  1. There should be powers to restrict the overnight parking of vehicles over a certain size eg Vans/pick ups/4x4's
  2. Ditto the number of vehicles attached to an address
sugarapplelane · 02/06/2025 18:03

I do agree with you Op
I live in a small cul de sac and am fed up of the number if cars parked on the road, which makes it harder for me to reverse out if my driveway. I have had quite a few near misses! Some of the residents have space for 2 cars on their drive yet only one is parked on the drive, the other on the road. Then other residents have 4 cars but only space for 3. One of the cars is never used.
It gives me the rage in my peri state!!!

WestwardHo1 · 02/06/2025 18:02

Helpmeplease2025 · 02/06/2025 15:59

Does he think that names like this bother the people who drive them?

No, he just does it for his own amusement. Given the type of behaviour you describe, he's not far wrong.

I'm glad it doesn't bother you though.

PickyTits · 02/06/2025 17:59

What I have an issue with is how ridiculous Britain's councils and governments are on car ownership. How cheap car ownership is. How anyone can distort the living environment around them with their choices.

I don't think the cost of car ownership should prohibit people from being able to drive when public transport is lacking in so many areas.

I do agree though that car ownership is out of control. A lot of people use it for such unnecessary trips - ie taking the car to the school instead of walking 5 minutes.

What I'd like to see happen is permanent bans for any road users caught using their mobile phones, drink/drug driving or any other form of wreckless driving. People only get pathetic one year bans - it's not enough, it should be a permanent ban and then maybe people would actually think twice and there'd be less morons on the roads.

C8H10N4O2 · 02/06/2025 17:58

@JacquesHarlow Some of us remember 20 or 30 years ago when you could drive to another street and not have to face a x5 barrelling towards you, parked cars either side? With a tiny woman peering over the steering wheel refusing to reverse back into the space immediately behind her? But powering through so that you, in your little hatchback, have to reverse 10 car lengths to accommodate her ego and lack of driving skill?

Really? Where was this Nirvana? Because I was driving on London suburban roads 30 years ago and every problem you describe was present. The large vehicles were called MPVs rather than SUVs but every issue your bingo card describes was present then.

JohnofWessex · 02/06/2025 17:55

A pretty obvious point is that enforcement of road traffic rules, not only police but parking had dropped.

I suspect that if you knew that if you drove or parked like a twat you would lose your licence and the penalties for driving when banned made crucifixion look lenient then driving standards and behaviour would change for the better.

Redpeach · 02/06/2025 17:48

HiddenInCubeOfCheese · 02/06/2025 16:36

Maybe so. I’ve been knocked over as a pedestrian by a cyclist three times in my adult life in London. Never been hit by a car.

And yet 99% of fatal pedestrian collisions involve motor vehicles