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To think car ownership is out of control in the UK

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JacquesHarlow · 02/06/2025 13:27

I fully expect to get a vast majority of "YABU" comments, but here goes:

Firstly, before I get flamed - I am a woman, a car owner, and yes I have a driveway now (though didn't before). I am a car enthusiast in terms of the enjoyment I've got from driving and I don't have an issue with "cars" per se.

What I have an issue with is how ridiculous Britain's councils and governments are on car ownership. How cheap car ownership is. How anyone can distort the living environment around them with their choices.

Have you driven down a suburban street lately, or even an urban one?

Small and narrow Victorian streets with lines of cars packed on either side, and only room for one vehicle to drive down it. Why so many cars? The houses have been there for 150 years. Why now?

And because so many people (often fellow women, annoyingly) don't ever like reversing, you find yourself caught in the middle, having to reverse right back to the end of the street to start again.

School runs are chaos - so many cars, parking up in illegal or careless ways, purely to save a short distance walking.

And the size of cars! Absurdly large vehicles which then take up more road space on the kerbside. Yeah it is "legal" but in a decade where theoretically we want to get better as a country environmentally, most people do not give two fucks as long as their precious DCs are "safe" (you're just as safe in a NCAP 5* rated Yaris as you are in a Merc GLS, but try telling that to people where I live).

So this is the madness of today:

Cars are SO much bigger. And thanks to PCP they're cheaper - and this is why I see so many cars where I live ,and up north when I visit, and everywhere else. The PCP monthlies thing keys right into the British obsession of wanting to look and feel wealthy. Years ago a Golf or an Audi A3 would be considered posh for a family. But why would I buy a Golf when my monthly payments could get me into something BIGGER!

The one thing that isn't bigger, is the United Kingdom. I've seen councils in London paint "parking lines" half on the pavement so that people can park up on either side to let cars past. I've seen people in these Discoveries and Defenders mount kerbs at drop off time without a thought or care for who might be behind them or even aware of this being an issue.

And you can have 1 household in a street of 20 houses own 5 cars. You do the maths as to how much of the available parking is then taken away.

Why are people so aggressive and discourteous in their car ownership? What are we going to do about this?

Some of us remember 20 or 30 years ago when you could drive to another street and not have to face a x5 barrelling towards you, parked cars either side? With a tiny woman peering over the steering wheel refusing to reverse back into the space immediately behind her? But powering through so that you, in your little hatchback, have to reverse 10 car lengths to accommodate her ego and lack of driving skill?

Our city and town streets are not made for X5s, Discoveries, Range Rover Sports, and god knows what else, to be parked along the kerbside blocking out the light into tiny terraced houses.

How do we put a stop to this? I love the Japanese principle in certain cities where you have to name a parking space you own or have access to before you buy a car. Could this work here?

AIBU? How will we ever wean ourselves off this 'bigger is better, and every member of my family must have a car' mentality?

OP posts:
WinSomeandLoseSome · 02/06/2025 23:49

If you feel so strongly OP why don’t you lead by example and give up your car?

Kellywiththelegs · 02/06/2025 23:36

It’s also not just about getting to work, it’s also about leisure time as well, why should I be stuck at home because there are no buses to get me to my local leisure centre for my evening netball match, let alone getting home again in the dark, why should I be stuck at home on a Sunday when I fancy a drive out for a cream tea in a nice village? Cars are not just about need they are about pleasure and aiding lifestyles as well.

FarmGirl78 · 02/06/2025 23:32

I don't live anywhere near that kind of parking chaos, don't drive a big chunky car, don't have PCP, park on my own drive, don't block pavements and yet I still feel like I've just been told off.

Hulabalu · 02/06/2025 23:24

I definitely agree cars have got too big. We aren’t a big country for big cars like usa. We’re a small island with narrow roads and small parking spaces !

Fishnish · 02/06/2025 23:23

crackofdoom · 02/06/2025 20:23

See, I just don't get this. Driving is stressful, you're always "on", it's often mega crowded and you're sitting in traffic, and then there's the stress of finding somewhere to park when you get there.

If the journey can be done by public transport I find it a massive relief. Time to go on my phone, read, watch the world go by...and when you get there you just walk off.

Is it only where I live that there are lots of people who travel on public transport with extremely poor personal hygiene? Really stinky greasy hair on the person sitting in front of you. BO. People who bring dangerous dogs on the bus. Alcoholics. People who must chain smoke fags day in day out. No one can pretend getting a bus is pleasant or restful. It’s why I’d rather cycle.

Fizbosshoes · 02/06/2025 23:20

GRex · 02/06/2025 14:21

It doesn't really take 1.5 hours for any bus to travel 6 miles, that would have it moving at 4mph, slower than central London. Cycling would take at most half an hour.

I have some sympathy for teenagers whose parents chose to live somewhere with no transport, but the public transport gaps won't be resolved while everyone hops into streams of cars and fabricates horror stories to justify why their particular family can't use public transport. Along similar lines to OP stating 1.5 hours on the bus, I've recently heard that "all trains are dirty" (brand new stock on most of their line, we use it), "buses are so infrequent" (max wait of 15 minutes), "buses take so long" (5 minutes longer than the car going up the same road, I've timed it), "bags would be too heavy" (just use a wheelie bag) etc etc.

The journey is approx 6 miles door to door, it would take 15 min in the car. We live in a small commuter town, with a station, so not in the middle of nowhere, or particularly rural. The pub is in a village outside the commuter town.

By public transport (using 2 buses) it would take approx 1 hr 30, meaning walk 10-15 minutes to a bus stop, get a bus to another town, then wait and get a connecting bus to said village. This was not practical but luckily she has found another job that she can get to easily by train.

I've no idea why you said I suggested the bus travelled at 4 mph.
Some journeys are quicker and more convenient on public transport (we chose the town because we can get to work far more easily and quickly by train, and would rarely consider driving into London) But getting anywhere by bus from here is not especially efficient, and there was not a direct route, in this scenario.

NotMe1981 · 02/06/2025 23:17

There are an awful lot more cars on the road now compared to 27 years ago when I started driving, and yes it seems like since Covid a lot of the nation collectively forgot how to drive/drive in a considerate manner.

But by your theory I would not be allowed to own a car because I live in a terraced house and don’t have my own parking space. And I have a 4x4, because I tow a caravan with my car and also because the council gave up getting roads in the winter years ago, so it’s deadly when it’s icy. I live in a small rural town and public transport is next to non existent. So a car is a necessity. A lot of the multiple car households will be because DC can’t afford to move out until a lot later than in times gone by, and they still need a car to be able to get to their jobs etc.

Toastandbutterand · 02/06/2025 23:17

I'm going to link this thread next time someone says disabled people need to be more resilient and shouldnt get benefits.

It's bloody hilarious.

Chiseltip · 02/06/2025 23:06

Redpeach · 02/06/2025 21:23

Increased capacity leads to increased traffic and exacerbates the problem, that is regressive thinking

No it doesn't.

Zanzara · 02/06/2025 23:01

Public transport is non-existent or as good as in large swathes of the country. Nada. Nichts.

Elbowpatch · 02/06/2025 22:53

BeNiceWhenItsFinished · 02/06/2025 22:10

There is one blindingly simple, totally obvious solution to the problem.

I wonder what it is.

If it’s that blindingly obvious, surely you know.

Care to share?

BeardofHagrid · 02/06/2025 22:39

I’ve noticed how much worse drivers are in the last couple of years. I go walking regularly and the cars just drive at me without slowing down or moving out at all. It’s bloody frightening. They almost brush past me they are that close. Rainy days are awful, I’ve had every single oncoming car speeding through huge puddles and soaking me. It’s like something in a cartoon 😳

BeNiceWhenItsFinished · 02/06/2025 22:22

ByBlueMoose · 02/06/2025 13:43

Yes, the number of cars on the road is at a record high.

41.7 million licenced vehicles at the end of June 2024.

It's insane. Especially for such a small country with plenty of public transport available.

There might be plenty of public transport available where you are, but that is not the case in many parts of the country.

TY78910 · 02/06/2025 22:15

BeNiceWhenItsFinished · 02/06/2025 22:10

There is one blindingly simple, totally obvious solution to the problem.

I wonder what it is.

Pleeeeeease someone tell me it’s not ‘stop the boats’ 🤣🤣🤣

BeNiceWhenItsFinished · 02/06/2025 22:10

There is one blindingly simple, totally obvious solution to the problem.

I wonder what it is.

StripyHorse · 02/06/2025 22:07

DH and I both keep our cars around 10 years (18 months old ish onwards). When we came to change DHs car earlier this year we were both shocked at how much prices for similar cars have sky rocketed in the last 10 years.

I do agree that there are plenty of cars that are unnecessarily big. House builders also don't always take into consideration the fact that families often have 2 + cars, or at least have visitors. Some of the worst estates here for being able to park / drive round are more recent builds rather than established terraces.

A key factor is adult children not being able to leave home due to cost of living, so it is more common to have more cars. If you live in an area with limited public transport (as well have here) you really limit work and leisure opportunities.

IwasDueANameChange · 02/06/2025 21:58

The issues in cities are caused by:

  • older housing stock built before there was a need for driveways
  • older housing stock on narrow plots with minimal street frontage per property
  • former family homes split into 3 flats, often the flats are occupied by young adult sharers, so a building that might previously have housed a couple plus four children plus perhaps a grandparent, with one or two cars at most, now might have 6 cars.
  • lack of subsidies of public transport as are common in europe, meaning that for many journeys, its cheaper to travel by car.

Outside cities public transport is horrendously slow, infrequent & expensive. I live in the home counties, and if i wanted to use our local bus for something simple like a trip to the supermarket 4 miles away, it would take all morning due to the slow speed & the long wait for the return journey. Using my car i can be there and back in 45 minutes.

Masmavi · 02/06/2025 21:51

The question to be asked is why anrent there extensive, reliable, cheap public transport routes? Moved back to the UK recently and now with children, to nearby a smallish city but still a city and tried to get around without a car. Into the city - no problem. But an evening activity not very far away? 17 minutes by car but 1.5hrs by bus as no direct transport route. Want to go to the countryside or a stately home in the area? A complicated route involving two forms of public transport and then a 20 minute walk, 2.5hrs - 30 minutes by car. Vicious circle of transport not being invested in, people choose car instead and then the tipping point where there aren’t enough passengers to fund routes. Routes must be subsidised and cost and convenience has to at least come close to being as good as going by car.

Redpeach · 02/06/2025 21:40

LlynTegid · 02/06/2025 21:34

Free public transport would not get that many people out of cars. Frequency for starters, and then you have to acknowledge enough people are offended by others, for example if they stink, or men who stare or make women uncomfortable in some way.

Oh yeah forgot, thats a huge problem on public transport, the pervs

LlynTegid · 02/06/2025 21:34

Redpeach · 02/06/2025 21:01

And free public transport like in Luxembourg

Free public transport would not get that many people out of cars. Frequency for starters, and then you have to acknowledge enough people are offended by others, for example if they stink, or men who stare or make women uncomfortable in some way.

Gettingbysomehow · 02/06/2025 21:31

I have to have a car I live in rural Somerset. Public transport is non existent here. I don't drive a .massive 4x4 though. I have a very small Peugeot. I also need it for my job as i do medical home visits. No choice sadly.

Redpeach · 02/06/2025 21:23

Chiseltip · 02/06/2025 21:16

Or they could just build more roads and more parking spaces.

Less than 2% of all land in the UK has any building or infrastructure on it. We have the space and the money to do it.

Your thinking is so regressive.

Increased capacity leads to increased traffic and exacerbates the problem, that is regressive thinking

Kago2790 · 02/06/2025 21:21

Chiseltip · 02/06/2025 21:16

Or they could just build more roads and more parking spaces.

Less than 2% of all land in the UK has any building or infrastructure on it. We have the space and the money to do it.

Your thinking is so regressive.

That's what they said in LA. Never any traffic jams there now is there🙄 Induced demand is real.

Chiseltip · 02/06/2025 21:16

JacquesHarlow · 02/06/2025 13:40

Local councils to look at proper solutions (and NOT LTNs, which don't actually deal with the amount of ownership, but just funnel it elsewhere for those who loved lockdowns and like flower planters).

Some potential solutions:

  • Ensure CPZs in a 1 mile radius of any major town.
  • Not all CPZs limit the number of permits per household. I would limit it to 2 per household MAXIMUM, with a tapering effect so by 2030 it is 1 car per household.
  • Increase the costs for permits so that serial multiple car owners have to really think whether they want to pay £3k a year to park 5 random old bangers on a street
  • Surcharge for permits on any petrol or diesel vehicle over 1.5kg in weight. This would tax some of the 10 or 15 year old Discoveries and Range Rovers off the streets.

Or they could just build more roads and more parking spaces.

Less than 2% of all land in the UK has any building or infrastructure on it. We have the space and the money to do it.

Your thinking is so regressive.

Chiseltip · 02/06/2025 21:14

Car ownership isn't the problem, lack of functional roads and parking is a problem.

The government could easily afford to fix it, but they won't.

YABVVVU OP.