15 Billion for UK nuclear warhead programme

I find your suggestions quite hopeful! Thanks!
Your ideas match Russia’s actions perfectly. They felt threatened by the proximity of nato military bases and, failing to resolve it by diplomacy, went for a regime change.
You think the same way, so you must be in a position to understand and find a way to peace.

The Guardian said that a lot of money is being invested in drones too, I didn’t see that on the BBC.

Sometimes I feel like we're living at the start of the 20th century re: the naval arms race

As pps have said wars are caused by business men propping up deluded dictators.

Perhaps we should make it clear that if anyone dares to drop a tactical nuclear weapon then we'll set the whole lot off & cause the end of civilisation.

An MP on Nick Ferrari said he belived that and stopped the fat old Brexit fecker in his tracks. So the rich will be sacrificing their ill gotten wealth first, willingly and with good grace whilst AI does a jobs holocaust, right ? For King and country - slumlords unite. The grooming and the gaslighting has begun.

Starmer concentrated on the job creation aspect in his speech about the nuclear subs so I think you are correct.

We do need to improve our defence capabilities but 12 nuclear subs which will each take 18 months to build doesn't seem like an urgent measure when our government seems convinced we'll be at war with Russia in a couple of years.

‘If you want peace prepare for war’, especially when you have a hostile neighbour.

Might have been a good idea to not declare a Cold War on your own people too. Don’t think the baby boomer landlords will be defending the country.

Britain’s always had a navy so I suppose submarines are a place to start. If we had more faith in our country, if it had not declared a Cold War on everyone who doesn’t have an inheritance or the right family background (unless they’re foreigners in which case just lots and lots of money and who cares how it was obtained), perhaps we could have trained people to defend our country too, like the Finns. Who have a rather larger potential army than we do. Thankfully, while Russia is being aggressive again.

Whatever you say.

Perhaps based on your reply? And of course it is gossip - everyone knows everything about what countries say to each other. That is why the conversations are top secret. About as reliable as whatever Williams third cousins best friend said about Meghan as reported by GB News. After all, it was hardly a "quiet warning" if everyone knows about it, was it?

It’s not gossip. Nor am I paranoid, and I have no idea why you would insinuate that.

I have no idea what is interesting about that. Your paranoia perhaps? But "well documented" unevidenced gossip isn't fact.

It is! I wonder whether it’s a disconnect from giving life. Women give life. The greatest power. Men are part of this process obviously but a lot less connected. I wonder if it’s whether they see their greatest power as taking away life. How ‘easy’. They should challenge themselves more.

Because they are addicted to power and probably see themslves as gods in human form who have to always win whatever the cause.It's even worse now cos the tech bros were the unloved and unloveable ones at Uni and now are the richest and most powerful men in the world. It's always men isn't it.

This is what blows my mind. Surely these rich and powerful men could just go on a perpetual holiday cruising round in a mega yacht drinking, skiing, golfing, swimming, doing whatever they want. Why cause all this misery when they too are just going to get stuck in an underground bunker.

Yes, I loved it too. I know this is very silly, but if you think about it, all this is spending money on methods to kill people... It actually sounds ridiculous but..... It might have been early 2000s. It was very funny and in some way, ahead of it's time.

I loved The Day Today back in the day. It’s always worth remembering how France and later the US pushed back against Vietnam’s efforts for self-determination and to expel foreign invaders. By the end of the Vietnam War, about 3.5 million people in Southeast Asia had died. In Algeria, France’s war for independence killed around 1 million people. Yet, these facts are rarely discussed.

This thread made me think of this very amusing "Easter Egg" hidden on the DVD of The Day to Day back in the late 1990s.... Enjoy.

True, we are a bit ill and old. I liked the imagery anyway.

Each world war gets much worse than the last one. If we ever get in one we can wave goodbye to the society that most of us know and love. And what will the mostly young men be fighting for - affordable housing, free university education pensions, secure employment, a functioning NHS and modern infrastructure - the things they are denied ?

I thiink last time we were in this much risk was the 1930s. The world seems like a very unsafe place these days.

Yep that's right, defence spending 2.5% GDP, maybe getting up to 3%, Health and Welfare spending about 20% of GDP, but hey why let the facts etc...

It's not a typical Labour priority, which suggests to me that it's absolutely necessary. My assumption is that there is a very real threat - especially now we can no longer rely on the US military to support us.

There's been all sorts of funny stuff going on in the last few years. Russian submarines and jets frequently take liberties with our sea and air borders. Undersea cables are being cut, the Heathrow fire, the power cuts in Spain, plus however much else we don't know about because it's kept quiet.

And it will create jobs. I would much prefer there were no nuclear weapons at all, but sadly they exist and we are lucky to have quite a lot of them as a deterrent. Also Germany are doing the same thing. It's clearly being seen as a major priority by those in power.

If the UK is cyber attacked will they shut off electricity to homes that have smart meters .. my meter is no longer working and they’re insisting on replacing it with a smart one

Maybe not then

These would effectively be a suicide squad, with virtually no chance of survival. And if the operation fails and is traced back to us then what? Likely, Putin and his inner circle retreat to a doomsday bunker and launch a hypersonic conventional missile at a legitimate UK military target, possibly killing hundreds.

At the same time, cyber attacks cripple parts of our infrastructure - banking systems, power grids, communications. Cables might be cut. Putin declares that revenge has been taken and claims he’s prepared to leave it at that.

So what next?

Just send an army of covert snipers into Moscow. Take out Putin, take out his cronies, declare martial law, murder anyone with pro Putin/anti West sentiments and install a Western puppet government to run the place. Problem solved, in 30-50 years you'll have a fully-functioning democracy on the same level as any other european country. We should've done it long ago. The Russian elite could never be trusted at any time in history, and certainly not now. Wipe 'em all out.