To say it’s stressful havivg a beautiful daughter?

Of course they’re not.

An objectively attractive young woman is going to draw more attention than one who isn’t. Twas ever thus.

So sorry to hear this OP, it's really not on. I thought that perhaps things had changed but clearly not.

I do find it happens a lot more here in the UK, though, than in some other counties. I grew up in Scandinavia and the whole cat calling never happened there, and even though I'm sure men do / did leer, it certainly wasn't as obvious as I've seen here.

OP I noticed the same with my very good looking DD but she didn't go out very often and had a haughty disdain.

At school she was quiet, very good at sport and highly academic; she didn't define herself by her looks and now is at university. I wonder if looks always count for much; but men thinking young women can be called at and insulted what ever they look like is awful and threatening. Creeps.

I'd say get her to practice a resting hitch face and don't react at all when it happens. I remember this happening to me. I don't think I was unusually beautiful. Any reaction at all is taken as encouragement by these creeps.

This. Mine had men grown men wanting to buy her hot chocolates etc when she was waiting at the bus stop, she would get out her phone after she said no. If they didn’t leave her she would get out her phone take a picture and phone me and say loudly ‘mum this weird guy is leering at me and I have sent you his picture’ they left her alone. We have to teach our daughters how to deal with it. Mine doesn’t apologise she has developed a look, takes a photo and is clear, no leave me alone and no explanation or apology.

My sons are being brought up to understand women need space and you need to be aware.

It’s not just beautiful girls. I was average looking as a teen (I blossomed in my twenties) but I had a slim figure and knew how to wear clothes well and I got leered at by tonnes of blokes and regularly groped in clubs and pubs.

You said some people don’t realise the age of the female they are looking at. I noticed you didn’t use the word girl, as we are talking about minors here. So what age is okay for a grown man to look at a girl? 13, 14, 15, 16? You said it? So what age?

Completely disagree.

Very attractive women are judged.

The best place for looks for both males and females is the average box that 80% fit into.

Surely you mean " it's stressful having a daughter in a male oriented world"?
Surely all our daughters are 'beautiful'?

Men are uniquely positioned to change this. This is not about being an ally of women, but is about the growth and development of men.

There is no future for misogynistic men. The world will leave you behind in the coming generations. Teach your kids that being a creep, is not acceptable, and teach them by example.

Men need to talk between each other about women as though every woman is your wife or daughter, and get mad at misogynistic behaviour, make men embarrassed, not validated for behaving this way. We'll all be dead at some point, what kind of world do you genuinely want to leave behind?

Unfortunately this isn’t about being beautiful, it’s about her being a young girl and it happens to every single girl pretty much, no matter how conventionally attractive they are deemed to be. It’s horrible to experience and to witness.

I worry about this. My dd is 12 and already has a very womanly shape and well developed breasts (poor thing takes after me in the boob department unfortunately). She also has long ginger wavy hair that does make her stand out in a crowd. All of that combined makes me worried for her.

That's not what I said is it

So it’s okay to perv on an 12 year old who is dressed up in a short top and skirt?

Is it also stressful not being able to spell Op?

beautiful - I've been told by several doctors, unprompted, his facial symmetry is really unusual

@IcyPlumOtter what kind of doctors?

Because if you are beautiful then men will look. Regardless of how smart or sporty you are unfortunately.

You’re lucky she’s got to 16 without “unwanted attention” And it doesn’t matter whether she’s beautiful or not.

'It's nothing to do with when they started puberty. I think some men people dont realise the age of the female they are looking at.'

It's nothing to do with when they started puberty. I think some people dont realise the age of the female they are looking at.

We all know what you said. Stop making excuses and stop sexualising your 12 year old son

You're a nurse and think it's 'paedo behaviour' to call a child beautiful?

How odd.

How are your chats with the safeguarding team going when you call them up to 'report suspected paedo, just called a child beautiful?'

And can you point me to the NMC standards about 'paedos'?

Especially with a mother like you, let’s just get him on the street corner? Shall we 🤢

They are not leering at him. They are saying he has a beautiful face, which he does. And they are usually the mothers of his friends. Asian Australians in particular and Australians in general in my peers and my own age group do not think this is 'pedo' behaviour.

You have decided that's leering. I have never seen anyone leer at him.