Immigration - can someone please explain it to me in simple terms?

No.

Are you under the impression this hasn’t been an observed dynamic in several sectors for years?

We also shouldn't just blatantly look at the economy. GDP number go up isn't the only thing to look at. We need to look at societal and cultural impact.

Yes this is the problem

also why aren’t they being pressurised to work and pay tax.

they are economic migrants so why does GB have to pay for them

Are you under the impression that we just hand out visas to anyone who wants them?

We need controlled immigration - big difference.

Blanket statements of we need “foreign workers” (not my language) is very over-simplistic. In some sectors, yes. In others, we really don’t. Irrespective of AI, software engineering has seen a massive wage reduction due to the influx of overseas workers in the UK (as well as offshoring but that’s another thread). There are multiple professional roles facing similar.

I favour a points based system.

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"Mathematics" By Hollie McNish is an uncompromising spoken word piece based on her own personal experiences of racism.

The full poem reads:

He says “those god damn Pakistanis and their goddamn corner shops
Built a shop on every corner took our British workers jobs
He says those Goddamn Chinese and their goddamn china shops
I tell him they’re from Vietnam but he doesn’t give a toss
I ask him what was there before that damn Japan mans shop
He stares at me and dreams a scene of British workers jobs
Of full time full employment before the Goddamn boats all came
Where everybody went to work full time every day
A British Business stood their first he claims before the Irish came
Now British people lost their jobs and bloody Turkish are there to blame
I ask him how he knows that fact he says because it’s true
I ask him how he knows the fact he says he read it in the news
Everytime a Somalian comes here they take a job from us
The mathematics one for one, from us to them it just adds up
He bites his cake and sips is brew and says again he knows the spot
The Goddamn Carribeans came and now good folk here don’t have jobs
I ask him what was there before the goddamn Persian curtain shop
I show him architectures plans of empty goddamn plots of land
I show him the historic maps
A bit of sand, a barren land
There was no goddamn shop before those Pakistanis came and planned
Man
I’m sick of crappy mathematics
Cos I love a bit of sums
I spent three years into economics
And I geek out over calculus
And when I meet these paper claims
That one of every new that came
Takes away ones daily wage
I desperately want to scream
“Your maths is stuck in primary”
Cos one who comes here also spends
And one who comes here also lends
And some who comes here also tend
To set up work which employs them
And all your balance sheets and trends
Work with numbers not with men
And all your goddamn heated talk
Ignores the trade the Polish brought
Ignores the men they gave work to
Not plumbing jobs but further too
Ignores the ones they buy stock from
Accountants, builders, on and on
And I know it’s nice to have someone
To blame our lack of jobs upon
But immigrations not as plain
Despite the sums inside your brain
As one for one, as him or you
As if he goes, they’ll employ you
Cos sometimes one that comes makes two
And sometimes one can add three more
And sometimes two times two is much much more
Than four
And most times immigrants bring more
Than minuses.

If illegal immigration was easy to solve, it would have been solved. It’s turned into a huge organised crime syndicate which is going to be very difficult to resolve in a way that also respects people’s human rights. Other European countries are now starting to talk about Rwanda type agreements as it’s not just a U.K. problem, it’s a Europe problem.

Migration is only going to escalate as climate change ramps up and land disappears and countries become inhabitable through extreme weather.

I think unfortunately Reform will get in as I have never heard so many normal, standard people around me talk about voting for them, as I have recently. This has a real Brexit feel about it where people operating in a bubble feel quite sure they could t possibly get it and yet if you believe the word of the average person in the street you’d recognise the support is there.

How is reform planning on solving the small boat issue? I have no idea. I’m assuming something deeply unpalatable that will get us caught up in a legal fight for years with thousands of human right lawyers and charities.

This poem explains it far better than I could.

The issue with immigration is the many, many people who take from the system but will probably never contribute. The huge cultural shift in many areas, the immense health needs many people arrive with. Screening for disease etc on arrival is a huge cost. Then there's education, housing & ongoing healthcare on top of this. We can't afford it. I have huge sympathy for people in desperate need & I would move heaven & earth to help my child, so I do understand it, but we don't have enough resources to let it continue unchecked. Interestingly, near me we have a huge Romanian/Slovakian population, crammed into homes with multiple children & none of the females seem to work, the men seem to work sporadically but very, very few speak English. They have a whole host of health issues & cleanliness issues in the general area means rats are running rampant. They also have lots of children living in not great conditions so aren't living the high life, but they still are taking and not contributing. They are here legally, with access to public funds & some of them spend months at a time back in Romania whilst still having their rent, council tax etc paid for and claiming benefits. I'm not sure what the answer is though, obviously these children are in the local school & settled here.

Not just doctors, IT prefers to hire from overseas. Probably other professions too. And now we're apparently going to make it much harder to hire migrants for lower wage jobs, like care or factory work, while we keep encouraging companies to bring people in for the highest paid jobs. So we'll be looking at a society where the British do the low paid work and foreigners (and children of the wealthy, of course) take all the lucrative work. Guess it saves having to invest in educating our own citizens...

While all the time, you are receiving entry to a country, which affords you new opportunities. Why have you only mentioned the English, BTW, in your not so subtle put down?

Immigration is a good portion of nurses, social workers, social care workers, probably doctors as well. Immigration is increased tax revenue, people who rarely utilise health service, people who need to earn a higher wage so we can send remittances to our home countries (so no thanks to welfare), those who are least likely to go off sick or complain about our human rights. Immigration are people with ambition to own our own homes so graft for it, people who highly embarrassed by handouts when waiting for asylum decisions, people who want our children to excel so that maybe one day they can go and rebuild our home countries. We are NOT the problem dear English people.

The faux naivety!

Same. Any chance of a link @Parsley1234?

I am so proud that the UK gave your partner's sister a safe home.

As for the officials you overheard...well from personal experience of working with them, some of the officials in immigration are horribly racist and xenophobic.

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Yes

People wouldn’t want to come here to work if they couldn’t bring their families

By not allowing dependents, you target migration on young people in their twenties, who contribute a lot, have full working lives ahead of them but don't tend to have major health issues.

Someone has to deliver the Just Eat food and drugs!

I also dislike those L driver mopeds hanging around the area, are they necessary

Also the lack of housing is resulting in the rise in MO properties and our council is rejecting them in a residential area but then it going to the government who will probably allow planning permission

apparently 14000 new arrivals on boats this year, how wonderful

Labour has been in power for about 320 days, so that's about 10,000 people. A millionaire is someone with a household net worth of a million pounds or more. The majority of those will have been (early) retirees with a house worth £700k and maybe £300k in pension pots, who have been planning their retirement move to Spain or France for many years (moving to another country takes several months anyway, you don't get on the plane in disgust 3 days after the general election).

So this number is essentially meaningless party-political rhetoric. You are invited to believe that half of the country's entrepreneurs have left in disgust, but if you think about it for a moment, 10,000 isn't actually a lot of people, most of them aren't mega-millionaires, and most of them would have left even if the Tories has won the election.

Labour has been in for nearly a year so we had a tonne of millionaires.

I’d be interested to see the source for this.