Immigration - can someone please explain it to me in simple terms?

i think it's been about 13 years since i personally started to notice the conversation about immigration ramp up and just keep coming time and time again, and gosh, it never stops! why have all the successive governments not "done something"? why would they? immigration might not have much of a positive effect on the average person (apart from fanciful things like new friends and interesting new food), it greatly benefits them as the rich and privileged, in fact it's one of the pillars on which their bloody-handed success stands.

as for the issue of immigration itself, well i don't really know why people get bogged down in all the details of whether the immigration is "legal" or not or if they came here on a boat or what colour they are or what language they speak. the simple fact is that we now have such a large population living here that we cannot even feed them all, nor offer a reasonable standard of living to the average majority. and that applies to everyone here, whether they're british born and bred for generations or just arrived yesterday.

The people I know that have a problem with immigration are against the illegal immigrations, not the lawful ones where people are filling in paperwork and doing it properly, here to work and contribute to society.

I don’t think people really believe that those who are anti immigration are against ALL immigration. That’s just silly.

How does that work exactly, this 'respectful conversation'?

Are you denying the rise of the far right in Europe?

Absolutely agree. And the poster you’re responding to is part of the problem. They close down conversation because they label any challenge on immigration policy as racist and therefore unnecessary. It’s important for these conversations to be had. Our country is pretty much on its knees atm, which is due in part to mass immigration. Labour need to get a grip, and quickly. Otherwise Reform will gain a lot of seats come the next GE.

You didn’t say citizen though. They can be any race of course.

You said indigenous populations.

That sounded to me as if you were saying the white nationals of Britain or is that not what you meant?

Citizens of a country - any country - have a right to respectful conversations about who they want to add into their population. You seem to be suggesting that's a 'far right' viewpoint. It's not.

Here are some migrants tonight, in another European nation:

https://www.youtube.com/live/sVAkv5Ziwfw?si=hGhoZ8rr3n4C53oB

Really. Google tells me it was 53.6 in 1963 but approximately 69 million in 2024. It sounds like quite an increase.

It was 50 million when I was young 1950s/60s now it’s approaching 70 million!!! An increase of half as much again would be 75 million -have we built half as many again hospitals,schools,motorways -no I see little change in the numbers of them.

We don't have a far right party in power, so 'respectful' conversations with the whites indigenous population as to whether they want fewer brown people and less forrin culture hasn't happened.

Looking on from afar, I see that the UK population has hardly grown since the 1960s when I was a child, so I reckon the government is just blaming its lack of investment in public services on immigrants.

I felt the mother of the girl he spoke to demonstrated a lack of integration though she complained her children were themselves to blame for not taking advantage of their opportunities in Sweden.

If you mean the crime stats, I don't think we track them here. So whereas the nordic countries are sensible enough to do so and have respectful conversations with their indigenous/substantive populations about the impact mass immigration is having on their societies, their lives (even just in that one respect, never mind mass demographic/cultural change).. our leaders haven't shown any willingness to lead in that way.

Having the NHS dependent on migrants from poorer countries is a bandaid which is not sustainable and it also causes serious issues in those countries.

For example Nigeria is one of the main sources of healthcare migrants to the UK, and the UK has about 3.2 doctors per 1000 people while Nigerian has 0.65 doctors per 1000 and the number continues to dwindle which leads to more brain drain and serious issues in countries like Nigeria just to sustain the NHS to prevent it from crumbling. The priority is the NHS irrespective of the cost to other countries and hundreds of millions of people in those countries who will never have the opportunity to migrate to countries like the UK.

Bringing in migrants to take on jobs like care workers and nurses is supposed to be a short term stop gap while the UK works on the fundamental issues but we have now made it our primary option. And then when you add the issues facing junior doctors you can see that it’s a messy situation.

It’s similar to how for many years now UK universities have used international students as the solution to poor funding from the government. We can all see how that is working out.

We continue to turn a blind eye to issues like this while we are consumed with the debate of pro immigration v anti immigration which mean you’re racist or this or that.

https://europeanconservative.com/articles/news/denmark-says-swedens-failed-migration-policy-is-to-blame-for-exported-crime/

I just watched this episode. Denmark has made a policy of redistributing newcomers from ‘non Western’ countries & implemented compulsory language classes & they have made a decision that they all need to adapt to Danish ways. They have moved families into predominantly Danish areas so they can integrate. They are also keen on babies & toddlers going to nursery so they can adapt to being Danish & learn the language. Simon Reeve didn’t seem too keen.

https://inquisitivebird.xyz/p/immigration-and-crime-sweden

Nothing wrong with properly controlled immigration, as many other countries have, if people come here to work, to be net contributors, can speak English and are in good health. What's objectionable about that? I've lived abroad several times and had to fulfill these conditions and more, including having a job offer, having a medical, providing proof of savings, proof that I could speak the language. All fine by me, and surely no-one would object if it were the same here. Unfortunately our system is utterly unfit and so is massively abused both the legal and illegal routes.. I don't know what Reform could do about it but clearly the two major parties have failed completely (starting with Tony Blair if I'm not mistaken).

https://www.bbc.co.uk/bitesize/articles/z2hptrd#:~:text=There%20are%20many%20reasons%20why,for%20safety%20in%20another%20country..

migration increases when there are impacts of climate change and wars etc .

In total, in 2024, the immigration services issued 82,857 residence permits (not including the 11,000 granted to Ukrainian nationals): a decrease of 9%, compared to 2023. While the ruling coalition is focusing on reducing asylum, the drop in arrivals is mainly due to that of immigrant workers: only 27,009 were granted work permits, compared to 36,514 in 2023 (-26%).

Last year, 6,250 asylum-related residence permits were granted in Sweden, according to the Migration Agency's statistics
https://swedenherald.com/article/asylum-immigration-at-a-40year-low

https://nordictimes.com/the-nordics/sweden/sweden-despite-paradigm-shift-mass-immigration-to-continue-in-2024/

https://www.reuters.com/world/europe/swedish-pm-says-integration-immigrants-has-failed-fueled-gang-crime-2022-04-28/

https://www.researchgate.net/publication/338563093_Migrants_and_Crime_in_Sweden_in_the_Twenty-First_Century

Tv prog
https://www.bbc.co.uk/iplayer/episodes/m002cg5l/scandinavia-with-simon-reeve

Rishi Sunsk had a stated immigration of 600,000 in his last year but it turned out to be much more 900,00

What did the results show?

Can you link to those stats as I can't find anything to back it up.