Immigration - can someone please explain it to me in simple terms?

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@BlueKnickers - well good for you. My Indian colleague got called a P**i by a British homeless guy the other day. It’s not her fault she works really hard, pays for our NHS whilst he boozes his life away.
White working class boys have the worst academic outcomes here. They are held back by their own cultural values and their families. It is no bogeyman immigrant or Etonian to blame for that. Look at the Tommy Robinson crowd - we should be shipping them off. What exactly have they contributed?

As a person of Indian ethnic origin, I've personally not found that my race has held me back here.

No they’re not.

@Sash I lived and worked in Spain for a short while when I was younger. The quality of care homes and facilities were shocking compared to England. People who go to retire in Spain will go with funds not to sponge off the Spanish system.

Whilst that maybe your friends "circs" that isn't an average overview. There's an awful lot in your post.....

Nothing is addressing the concerns for the lack of housing here in England or the crisis of homeless on our streets. I'm sorry but there's a well known phrase "Charity starts at home!".

Many believe that by virtue of a cosmic lottery that led to them popping out of their mother on a certain bit of dirt, they're entitled to first dibs.

That is how nation states work. Those whose ancestry dates back centuries on the 'bit of dirt' typically feel very attached to it, protective of it. Develop tacit relationships and cultural norms at the local, regional and national level that results in a functioning, cohesive society. Unless something happens to rapidly, radically change that society.

The Tories under Boris Johnson opened the borders. 4 million came in in under 3 years (legally). Only 500k on work visas. So the benefit bill skyrocketed to a billion a month for migrants.

This was after Brexit which was ultimately about lowering immigration to the average voter.

What nonsense (the iphones).

But the learning English is so important. New immigrants need free access to 6m of full-time language school, with childcare provided, on the basis that failure to learn English will result in deportation.

The immigrants living here are all given iPhones -no reason not to learn English.

So why do so many non white people want to come if it's such a racist cesspit?

I agree, this sounds very much like the Victorian notion of "the deserving poor".

Also, Nigel Farage is the biggest grifter of them all; he will promise your Granny eternal life and your toddler unicorn wings. Anyone who could pass GCSE maths knows his numbers do not add up and spell worse than Trussonomics. I think they need to bring back GCSE Maths for all voters.

Ah, the poor are lazy, and thick?

Are you from the past? It's a very Victorian attitude.

I do not think you need to worry about it, at all. There are plenty of white British people who want to leave this racist and xenophobic and politically toxic cesspit as well, so net net, in the long run, figures will go down.

Net zero is just another reduction. If you think reducing from one number to another is sensible but reducing again isn’t it’s more political association than much else.

I strongly believe that all immigrants should have to speak read and write English as a condition of their right to remain here. Asylum seekers cannot integrate without this. Asylum seeking women coming from countries where women are oppressed cannot benefit from the freedoms of our culture without this and remain in the ghetto.

Yes, I saw that they are doing that in Denmark, with images of acceptable Western clothing in order to change attitudes.

I think they also have to reach these men that women wearing revealing clothes is okay

I was born and bred in the UK and worked here paying taxes until I was 47. My ancestors going back hundred of years were born and bred here too. I left the UK to live and work for four years and on my return at 51 I had to prove I was habitually resident here and wait 6 months before I could get medical care under the NHS. I couldn't get any help with housing as I was fit and healthy and under 75. So I was street homeless for a period of time. I gained a temporary place in a hostel where I made friends with other women including asylum seekers. Once they gained asylum status they were given social housing. I was pleased for them but angry that I was not considered in housing need.

Most people don't see that unless they live near it. However, they see the small boats on the news.

I can see immigrants sitting chatting and smoking in the local town centre, live in hotels in or near the town . Dont need to visualise anything.

The problem with the small boats is that people can visualise it. You can see the boats arriving, illegally, with mostly young men. 1,100 yesterday. Perhaps in the scheme of things, it's not that many, but it's not a good migration policy, and rightly or wrongly it worries people.
It then becomes weaponised, as pp have said.

So therefore it is a problem, because people can weaponise it.

We need a complete crisis in social care before older Brits will pay out. In Mays gov I think it was £37,000 everyone must pay to cover care costs -no 100Ks for some and council funding for the other but it was shouted down.